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Aches/ Fatigue

AndyStein

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
I am 56 yo, 6' tall/ 18 stones (a few stones overweight!) and been suffering tiredness and lethargy. Find it hard to motivate myself physically. My sugars are high in the morning (9 mmol/l pre-brekkie) and aren't going down so readily now, as they were a year ago. I have just come off a 6 weeks working cruise where I get very little exercise and have a poor diet. I am trying to get a swimming and walking regime going and cutting out carbs and such-like. I find Nurofen help with my aches and wondered if this is likely to be inflammation? I note my ears ring and eyes can be blurry, as well. Is this a case of getting my weight down and doing more physical stuff, along with eating small regular meals, with a lot less carbs? I have felt so grotty since I got home...but suspect it may improve with effort. Any suggestions ?
 
I am 56 yo, 6' tall/ 18 stones (a few stones overweight!) and been suffering tiredness and lethargy. Find it hard to motivate myself physically. My sugars are high in the morning (9 mmol/l pre-brekkie) and aren't going down so readily now, as they were a year ago. I have just come off a 6 weeks working cruise where I get very little exercise and have a poor diet. I am trying to get a swimming and walking regime going and cutting out carbs and such-like. I find Nurofen help with my aches and wondered if this is likely to be inflammation? I note my ears ring and eyes can be blurry, as well. Is this a case of getting my weight down and doing more physical stuff, along with eating small regular meals, with a lot less carbs? I have felt so grotty since I got home...but suspect it may improve with effort. Any suggestions ?

Andy - You have such a variety of ails there, it's probably worthwhile having a bit of a chat with your Doc. You could be meandering out of pre-diabetes, into T2, or have a virus, or be reaction to some form of physical injury. All of those things, plus several other potential causes, can throw out those symptoms, but none of us is qualified to diagnose you.

Clearly if you know you've let things slip from your usual control mechanisms of late, it makes sense address that too.

Good luck with it all.
 
Isn't original nurofen a make of ibuprofen?
I'm sure we diabetics aren't suppose to take ibuprofen due to its added sugar to make it pallative?
 
Hi @AndyStein, I'm tagging @daisy1 for a new member welcome post for you tomorrow.

A fasting level of 9 is quite high for prediabetes, I agree that you need to speak to a medical professional about your symptoms. You may have to wait a few weeks for an non urgent appointment so I would call tomorrow.

Someone posted a PHD thesis presentation on here yesterday and I was surprised to learn that tinnitus is a sign of metabolic syndrome along with type 2, high blood pressure etc.

How long have you been prediabetic?
 
@AndyStein

Hello Andy and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it both useful and interesting. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.
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Hi @AndyStein, I'm tagging @daisy1 for a new member welcome post for you tomorrow.

A fasting level of 9 is quite high for prediabetes, I agree that you need to speak to a medical professional about your symptoms. You may have to wait a few weeks for an non urgent appointment so I would call tomorrow.

Someone posted a PHD thesis presentation on here yesterday and I was surprised to learn that tinnitus is a sign of metabolic syndrome along with type 2, high blood pressure etc.

How long have you been prediabetic?
Hi Alison,

Your answer is appreciated; in fact all the answers are kindly received. I have put myself on a low carb/ low glycemic Index diet and the weight is falling off. I'm back in the gym and pool now and feel better. In fact I feel a damned sight better, sleeping better and getting back in control all round, but my sugar readings really did good wild during the autumn. The strangest thing is the high readings before breakfast which I put down to dumping glucose from my liver; My glucose levels look better after brekkie and after an hour in the gym. Then seem better during the day, if I keep moving....

What are your feelings about homemade smoothies? No added sugar. I have recently discovered them and find them enjoyable - they have replaced my old beer/ wine consumption !

The worst issue I have at the moment is dry mouth, but this might be partly due to the winter/central heating and being a bit of a mouth breather ! My eyes are blurry at times and I understand this can be due to sugars and corneal drying.

Once again, thanks...

Andy
 
Hi again Andy So glad you seem to be doing better and hope that this will be reflected in your blood test results. Have you had them since the changes you have made?

Re smoothies, it really depends on what natural sugars are in them. Have one then test one/ two hours later is the only way to check they work for you.

Smoothies have been discussed a lot on the forum over the years see
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/smoothies-and-pre-diabetic.80671/
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/in-praise-of-green-smoothies.70800/
 
Hi again Andy So glad you seem to be doing better and hope that this will be reflected in your blood test results. Have you had them since the changes you have made?

Re smoothies, it really depends on what natural sugars are in them. Have one then test one/ two hours later is the only way to check they work for you.

Smoothies have been discussed a lot on the forum over the years see
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/smoothies-and-pre-diabetic.80671/
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/in-praise-of-green-smoothies.70800/

Hi Alison,

I test my sugars regularly and often through the day. They do look better than a few months ago. It's those morning highs I am most concerned about. Hard to deal with, accept over the longer term - continued good diet and weight loss, methinks ! I shall try to ensure the smoothies are made from less glycemic fruit types, like banana. I am trying to follow the simple rule from Daisy's post regarding carb amounts and GI. This has also helped with weight loss. I have gone down a stone, so far... How are you doing ?
 
If you are concerned about the morning high's my own opinion is that high carb tropical fruit like banana's may not be helping but let your meter guide you.

The high levels in the morning come from your liver as you have not be eating. This explains a fruit (fructose)/liver theory much better than I can:
https://www.dietdoctor.com/fructose-fatty-liver-sugar-toxin

A lot members do well with frozens berries over the winter.

Just recieved my HBA1C recall today after chasing it up since December. So will see if I manage to stay in the normal range again. Lost more weight in the last year than I have gained but struggling to be consistent with diet and exercise after so many years. I'm looking forward to improved weather and getting out more.
 
Hi Alison,

Your answer is appreciated; in fact all the answers are kindly received. I have put myself on a low carb/ low glycemic Index diet and the weight is falling off. I'm back in the gym and pool now and feel better. In fact I feel a damned sight better, sleeping better and getting back in control all round, but my sugar readings really did good wild during the autumn. The strangest thing is the high readings before breakfast which I put down to dumping glucose from my liver; My glucose levels look better after brekkie and after an hour in the gym. Then seem better during the day, if I keep moving....

What are your feelings about homemade smoothies? No added sugar. I have recently discovered them and find them enjoyable - they have replaced my old beer/ wine consumption !

The worst issue I have at the moment is dry mouth, but this might be partly due to the winter/central heating and being a bit of a mouth breather ! My eyes are blurry at times and I understand this can be due to sugars and corneal drying.

Once again, thanks...

Andy
Andy. I wouldn't threat too much about early morning high BG levels. As I understand it the morning level is usually the last to fall as you move into a more healthy lifestyle. Be patient and you should find it will fall. It takes time.
 
Hi Alison,

I test my sugars regularly and often through the day. They do look better than a few months ago. It's those morning highs I am most concerned about. Hard to deal with, accept over the longer term - continued good diet and weight loss, methinks ! I shall try to ensure the smoothies are made from less glycemic fruit types, like banana. I am trying to follow the simple rule from Daisy's post regarding carb amounts and GI. This has also helped with weight loss. I have gone down a stone, so far... How are you doing ?
Banana would not even be on my menu, never mind mashed into a so easy to absorb from drink - I'd have an almost instant spike.
I got a Nutri thing just before I was diagnosed, and have used it once to pulverise some green salad - no fruit - woosh.
Of course you might be able to cope, we are all different, but fruit smoothies are not what I would ever think of as low GI food.
 
Banana would not even be on my menu, never mind mashed into a so easy to absorb from drink - I'd have an almost instant spike.
I got a Nutri thing just before I was diagnosed, and have used it once to pulverise some green salad - no fruit - woosh.
Of course you might be able to cope, we are all different, but fruit smoothies are not what I would ever think of as low GI food.
I have to agree with you Resurgam. Prior to my diagnosis, I ate fruit like my life depended on it (not bananas as I hate them). As soon as I started testing I realised that fruit is a huge no, no for me. Even one small satsuma caused a big BG spike. We are all different, but fruit is clearly something that must be considered a bad food and restricted accordingly.
 
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