Advice from any low carbers

[sue512]

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[sue512]

Sorry post landed before I’d typed anything
I saw new nurse in surgery this morning as experienced one now left, she is undertaking her training at moment so you would think freshly up to date.
The bit that has bothered me most is “expect to eventually go on to insulin as this is a progressive disease that will never go away”. I realise that I will always have to watch my diet and low carbing should probably be a way of life for me, but I’ve brought my Hba1c down from 71 to 49 and now to 41 over 4 months and was hoping if I can maintain low carbing I could delay any progression of the disease, but was told no your insulin cells will eventually pack up as you are getting older and you will need insulin. She also handed me a leaflet of the eatwell type ignoring the low carb bit and recommending low fat and portion control, even though I’ve told her I’m eating increased fats etc and have now lost 3 stone.
Any opinions would be gratefully recieved

 

[catinahat]

expect to eventually go on to insulin as this is a progressive disease that will never go away.

What on earth is your new nurse being trained in, clairvoyance? Or maybe she has a crystal ball?
Of course as we get older things maybe don't work as well, other health problems can make things difficult and who knows we may need a little medicinal help, It's possible but by no means inevitable
The past has gone, any story someone makes up about your future is just a fantasy in their minds, it's not real. The only thing that's real is the present.
Your reality right now is that you are 3 stone lighter and your HbA1c is now below the pre diabetic threshold.
Perhaps that's the real problem your nurse has, you've managed to do it without their help.

 

[13lizanne]

Sorry post landed before I’d typed anything
I saw new nurse in surgery this morning as experienced one now left, she is undertaking her training at moment so you would think freshly up to date.
The bit that has bothered me most is “expect to eventually go on to insulin as this is a progressive disease that will never go away”. I realise that I will always have to watch my diet and low carbing should probably be a way of life for me, but I’ve brought my Hba1c down from 71 to 49 and now to 41 over 4 months and was hoping if I can maintain low carbing I could delay any progression of the disease, but was told no your insulin cells will eventually pack up as you are getting older and you will need insulin. She also handed me a leaflet of the eatwell type ignoring the low carb bit and recommending low fat and portion control, even though I’ve told her I’m eating increased fats etc and have now lost 3 stone.
Any opinions would be gratefully recieved

Ignore everything she said and continue as you have been doing. Just because someone says something will happen doesn't make it true

 

[jjraak]

Agree fully with the above posts

And particularly the wording in @13lizanne

With heavy emphasis on the word.

IGNORE .. < thumbs up >

Btw FANTASTIC Results so far .

Surprising how little our successes are encouraged or investigated properly.

If I was cynical I'd suspect they want us to be Stepford Type 2's...and just take the blue pills regardless....lol

Red pill and blue pill - Wikipedia

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[HSSS]

Any opinions would be gratefully recieved

Ignore her?

 

[Lainie71]

Sorry post landed before I’d typed anything
I saw new nurse in surgery this morning as experienced one now left, she is undertaking her training at moment so you would think freshly up to date.
The bit that has bothered me most is “expect to eventually go on to insulin as this is a progressive disease that will never go away”. I realise that I will always have to watch my diet and low carbing should probably be a way of life for me, but I’ve brought my Hba1c down from 71 to 49 and now to 41 over 4 months and was hoping if I can maintain low carbing I could delay any progression of the disease, but was told no your insulin cells will eventually pack up as you are getting older and you will need insulin. She also handed me a leaflet of the eatwell type ignoring the low carb bit and recommending low fat and portion control, even though I’ve told her I’m eating increased fats etc and have now lost 3 stone.
Any opinions would be gratefully recieved

I don't think I could publish my opinion, I would be banned! My advice carry on as you are/have been and leave the doomsday nurse to it! I just nod now when I see her biting my tongue harder each time!

 

[Robbity]

Yes -T2 can be positively progressive - mine rapidly "progressed" over a few months via help from a low carb/ketogenic diet to my HbA1cs being low prediabetic/high end of normal glucose-wise , where they've remained for 9 years now. And I'm currently 80, and stopped metformin a few years back on GP's advice, and I'm no way closer to requiring any extra insulin now than I was originally. I definitely consider that T2 progress!!

Seriously, I believe your nurse is spouting a load of nonsense via her nether regions.

 

[andromache]

Sorry post landed before I’d typed anything
I saw new nurse in surgery this morning as experienced one now left, she is undertaking her training at moment so you would think freshly up to date.
The bit that has bothered me most is “expect to eventually go on to insulin as this is a progressive disease that will never go away”. I realise that I will always have to watch my diet and low carbing should probably be a way of life for me, but I’ve brought my Hba1c down from 71 to 49 and now to 41 over 4 months and was hoping if I can maintain low carbing I could delay any progression of the disease, but was told no your insulin cells will eventually pack up as you are getting older and you will need insulin. She also handed me a leaflet of the eatwell type ignoring the low carb bit and recommending low fat and portion control, even though I’ve told her I’m eating increased fats etc and have now lost 3 stone.
Any opinions would be gratefully recieved

She says it’s progressive and irreversible because in her ‘Eatwell’ world, it is.

 

[sue512]

The sad thing is she’s quite sweet but thank you all that’s helped

She says it’s progressive and irreversible because in her ‘Eatwell’ world, it is.

true, after giving me eatwell printed info, offering the training course (5 years after diagnosis) and offering referral to gym, I’ve declined. Bit late for training I’ve learnt more from here, eatwell info went into bin and although gym might be nice I’d prefer to walk dog.

 

[Lainie71]

What on earth is your new nurse being trained in, clairvoyance? Or maybe she has a crystal ball?
Of course as we get older things maybe don't work as well, other health problems can make things difficult and who knows we may need a little medicinal help, It's possible but by no means inevitable
The past has gone, any story someone makes up about your future is just a fantasy in their minds, it's not real. The only thing that's real is the present.
Your reality right now is that you are 3 stone lighter and your HbA1c is now below the pre diabetic threshold.
Perhaps that's the real problem your nurse has, you've managed to do it without their help.

She says it’s progressive and irreversible because in her ‘Eatwell’ world, it is.

 

[Lainie71]

Yes -T2 can be positively progressive - mine rapidly "progressed" over a few months via help from a low carb/ketogenic diet to my HbA1cs being low prediabetic/high end of normal glucose-wise , where they've remained for 9 years now. And I'm currently 80, and stopped metformin a few years back on GP's advice, and I'm no way closer to requiring any extra insulin now than I was originally. I definitely consider that T2 progress!!

Seriously, I believe your nurse is spouting a load of nonsense via her nether regions.

Its the nether regions bit that left me gagging on my tea!

 

[Pipp]

Oh dear.
There are some good, open minded HCPs. I have reeducated a few by taking in the Low carb diet information from Dr David Unwin @Southport GP member on here. The thing that has tended to interest GPs is the budget savings when patients improve their health and put T2 into remission.

Haven’t done much low carb education of HCPs for a while, as they don’t seem to be seeing patients much at my surgery. Ah well, anyone else feeling that it might help, I take a copy of this….

https://www.portlandmedicalcentre.co.uk/media/content/files/Low-carbohydrate-diet.pdf

edited for typo

 

[sue512]

Oh dear.
There are some good, open minded HCPs. I have reeducated a few by taking in the Low carb diet information from Dr David Unwin @SouthportGP member on here. The thing that has tended to interest GPs is the budget savings when patients improve their health and put T2 into remission.

Haven’t done much low carb education of HCPs for a while, as they don’t seem to be seeing patients much at my surgery. Ah well, anyone else feeling that it might help, I take a copy of this….

https://www.portlandmedicalcentre.co.uk/media/content/files/Low-carbohydrate-diet.pdf

edited for typo

She has agreed to leave me access to testing strips even if I come off gliclizide, so there is that!

 

[Oldvatr]

I lived in Eatwell world for over 20 years while nursing nascent diabetes. I did progress to insulin therapy, but found this site and did a handbrake turn on the jabs. That was 8 years ago, and I too am no where near that inflexion point. So carry on low carbing as it seems effective at keeping the doctor away. I haven't seen mine since before lockdown #1. Congrats on negotiating the strips deal. I did one 8 years ago when I did my cliffhanger impersonation, and its still in place today,

 

[Liam E]

Sorry post landed before I’d typed anything
I saw new nurse in surgery this morning as experienced one now left, she is undertaking her training at moment so you would think freshly up to date.
The bit that has bothered me most is “expect to eventually go on to insulin as this is a progressive disease that will never go away”. I realise that I will always have to watch my diet and low carbing should probably be a way of life for me, but I’ve brought my Hba1c down from 71 to 49 and now to 41 over 4 months and was hoping if I can maintain low carbing I could delay any progression of the disease, but was told no your insulin cells will eventually pack up as you are getting older and you will need insulin. She also handed me a leaflet of the eatwell type ignoring the low carb bit and recommending low fat and portion control, even though I’ve told her I’m eating increased fats etc and have now lost 3 stone.
Any opinions would be gratefully recieved

In a sense she is right. If you follow standard advice diabetes is progressive. And yet they still persist.

If you keep on top of your blood sugar levels from here on out there is no reason your condition should progress though, and if you caught it early, there is no reason at all you won't get quite a bit of improvement.

Sure, if you go on a pizza and ice cream diet you'll get sick in no time, but keep your HbA1c at your current level or below and there is no reason for you to have any long term complications.

I really feel for the other people she is advising that don't know better. God only knows how much damage will be done.

 

[PJUK]

Sorry post landed before I’d typed anything
I saw new nurse in surgery this morning as experienced one now left, she is undertaking her training at moment so you would think freshly up to date.
The bit that has bothered me most is “expect to eventually go on to insulin as this is a progressive disease that will never go away”. I realise that I will always have to watch my diet and low carbing should probably be a way of life for me, but I’ve brought my Hba1c down from 71 to 49 and now to 41 over 4 months and was hoping if I can maintain low carbing I could delay any progression of the disease, but was told no your insulin cells will eventually pack up as you are getting older and you will need insulin. She also handed me a leaflet of the eatwell type ignoring the low carb bit and recommending low fat and portion control, even though I’ve told her I’m eating increased fats etc and have now lost 3 stone.
Any opinions would be gratefully recieved

I have the same problem with my DN and doctor. They both keep telling me that T2 diabetes is progressive and it will get worse. I've cut down massively on carbs this year and my HbA1c has dropped from 61 to 37 but my nurse and doc have no comment on the fact.

 

[sue512]

I have the same problem with my DN and doctor. They both keep telling me that T2 diabetes is progressive and it will get worse. I've cut down massively on carbs this year and my HbA1c has dropped from 61 to 37 but my nurse and doc have no comment on the fact.

Thank goodness we have here to talk sense into us. It’s a shame you didn’t have positive feedback on a brilliant achievement. At least she did congratulate me on what she called iron control on my diet and a fantastic achievement in bringing levels down, then spoilt it by giving me the eatwell advice!

 

[filly]

Thank goodness we have here to talk sense into us. It’s a shame you didn’t have positive feedback on a brilliant achievement. At least she did congratulate me on what she called iron control on my diet and a fantastic achievement in bringing levels down, then spoilt it by giving me the eatwell advice!

As an ex nurse I have much advice from friends Interestingly enough the GP surgery have not given me an appointment with a DN. Yet. They all seem pleased I am losing weight but everyone mentions the Eatwell plate. This brainwashing and not looking at a person as an individual drives me crazy.

 

[13lizanne]

As an ex nurse I have much advice from friends Interestingly enough the GP surgery have not given me an appointment with a DN. Yet. They all seem pleased I am losing weight but everyone mentions the Eatwell plate. This brainwashing and not looking at a person as an individual drives me crazy.

I have, at this point, to give a shout out to my surgery. GPS and DN are all on board with low car Keto and Intermittent Fasting. When I was first diagnosed 16 years ago they were following NHS policy. I found out about low carb from this forum that started to research through Diet Doctor. Com and Jason Fung s books. So very very grateful to all these resources