Am I an oddball?

zand said:

OK so have a look at this:-

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/my-5-day-dairy-fat-fast.81433/

The problem with your logic is that it is based on old science. Not all calories are equal. This is my own opinion because I have seen it work for me, as have others. I cannot tell anyone that fat makes you fat when I know it doesn't. It's the carbs and/or the combination of fat and carbs. Either way, cut the carbs and weight loss becomes easier.

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@zand, can I ask if you continued to lose weight after the fast, and what your daily calorie intake is now?

No, I haven't lost any more weight since but I have maintained the 6 pounds weight loss and am hoping to do so unto I can fit another fat fast into my life. My daily calorie intake now is around 1500 calories, I'm sorry I can only guess at that because life got hectic and I stopped recording my diet on myfitnesspal. I am back to eating my normal diet though so I think 1500 cals per day is a pretty good guessimate. I'll try to keep proper records all the time after my next one, then it will be a bit more scientific.

zand said:

No, I haven't lost any more weight since but I have maintained the 6 pounds weight loss and am hoping to do so unto I can fit another fat fast into my life. My daily calorie intake now is around 1500 calories, I'm sorry I can only guess at that because life got hectic and I stopped recording my diet on myfitnesspal. I am back to eating my normal diet though so I think 1500 cals per day is a pretty good guessimate. I'll try to keep proper records all the time after my next one, then it will be a bit more scientific.

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It's a good result.
But at 1500 calories, that's definitely a low calorie diet for me!

SunnyExpat said:

It's a good result.
But at 1500 calories, that's definitely a low calorie diet for me!

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Well yes, it is for most people. It's means around 50-60g carbs for me though and that's too many carbs for me personally to lose weight because of insulin resistance.

Also I used to put on weight having 1500 calories a day, and my aim now is to try to boost my metabolism so that I can maintain my weight on an ever increasing amount of calories.

zand said:

OK so have a look at this:-

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/my-5-day-dairy-fat-fast.81433/

The problem with your logic is that it is based on old science. Not all calories are equal. This is my own opinion because I have seen it work for me, as have others. I cannot tell anyone that fat makes you fat when I know it doesn't. It's the carbs and/or the combination of fat and carbs. Either way, cut the carbs and weight loss becomes easier.

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@zand, thanks so much for the link, had been off the forum for a week or so and missed this, fascinating reading and congratulations on results.

Am V interested in this whole link re more fat, low carbs, helping weight loss. Have managed to push my fat content up, but wary (just for me personally,) of going too high, with no gall bladder. More fat and low carb has definitely helped with weight loss, and total calories higher than I've stuck too before on previous diets. If I had a gallbladder, I'd try it myself!

All the best

Should a gall bladder make a difference?
Without it, you don't store bile, but release it continuously.
So you should still be able to process fat.

Then again, if you can't, the worse that happens is the fat isn't digested, and your stools float.
Then you can adjust your diet if required.

SunnyExpat said:

Should a gall bladder make a difference?
Without it, you don't store bile, but release it continuously.
So you should still be able to process fat.Then again, if you can't, the worse that happens is the fat isn't digested, and your stools float.
Then you can adjust your diet if required.

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Hi, around 30 % of people who have gallbldders removed struggle to digest fat. Others are absolutely fine. If you are in the 30%, you may well experience significant abdominal pain if you eat too much fat - basically it's trial and error post op to find out what you can tolerate. Everyone who has their gallbladder removed needs to discuss post surgery diet with their doctor and experiment a bit, but I'd respectfully disagree with your statement above regarding the worst that can happen - if people follow your advice they could, potentially, be quite ill if they then find they are in the 30%.

Regards

zand said:

OK so have a look at this:-

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/my-5-day-dairy-fat-fast.81433/

The problem with your logic is that it is based on old science. Not all calories are equal. This is my own opinion because I have seen it work for me, as have others. I cannot tell anyone that fat makes you fat when I know it doesn't. It's the carbs and/or the combination of fat and carbs. Either way, cut the carbs and weight loss becomes easier.

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I can assure you that there is no problem with my knowledge it has worked for me, but of course I could post up loads of contradictory links but you wouldnt bother reading them or you would choose to ignore the advice given from professionals, preferring to believe all the lchf bloggers and diet gurus who make money selling supplements and/or diet books.

Its calories that make one fat ie eating too much and that could be carbs protein of fat but is usually a combination of all three because most people in the UK eat too much which is why we now have an obesity epidemic in this country. And it is calories that when cut enable one to lose weight.

Oh, and heres the proof



Over 5 stone weight loss with NO extra fat added to my diet and maintained for over 5 years now.

Over to you?

Lets all remember that one size doesn't fit all. We all do what works best for us and if it works for us then it's the right answer. There may be more than one right answer depending on our bodies and our circumstances. In addition, we all have different lifestyles and diabetes has to fit in to our individual lives.

Please let's not get into dietary arguments on this thread which is, after all, a success story for @Gary1205

Thank you so much @Sid Bonkers . I have no doubt at all that what you say is true and it worked for you.

Simply counting calories worked for me at first too. Then it stopped working, so following the logic of the day I consumed less calories and did more exercise. Then that stopped working. Eventually I couldn't cut what I was eating down any further because I was constantly ill with chest and throat infections.

When I had flu in 2007 I ate nothing for 6 days and an average of 300 calories for the next 5 days. I lost only half a pound. My already slim son lost 11 1/2 pounds during the same illness.. He looked emaciated. I was still morbidly obese. It was then that I realised that my metabolism had stopped working properly. Simply eating less and exercising more was never going to help me lose weight. I began to each as much as I liked, just cutting out bread, pasta, sugar, rice, potatoes and other flour products. I didn't hear about this type of diet from anyone else. It was something I was simply trying for myself. I was sick to death of trying other people's diets that didn't work. I really thought I was the only one in the world who tried so hard to lose weight and couldn't manage to do it. So I was on my own and a lonely place it was too, but for the first time in about 25 years I wasn't hungry. I ate 3 meals a day and increased my calorie intake greatly. I stopped counting calories and ate as much cheese, bacon , butter, cream etc as I wanted. I had always loved fruit and veg, but not snacking meant I still had lots of veg but a lot less fruit, because I had often snacked on banana or pear before. I didn't need snacks now that I was eating plenty of nutritious food. Amazingly with all these platefuls of food I lost a pound a week for 7 weeks! Who would have thought you could increase calorie intake so dramatically and lose weight?! Unfortunately other health issues kicked in and I was knocked off course for a while, but when I got back on course I was more focused on what I then learnt was called LCHF.

Sid you are so wrong. When I have the time (and I don't have time this week, sorry) I read all the links that are given me, whether I think I will agree with them or not. How else can one learn? I have an open mind, whilst yours seems rather closed. Have your read my fat fast thread which I quoted? Don't you think it's amazing that I can lose 6 pounds whilst almost doubling my calorie intake from my usual level? I have merely maintained my weight for over 6 months, then I doubled the calorie intake for 5 1/2 days and lost 6 pounds! Awesome I call it! I didn't get this diet from a guru. It's my own. I have never heard of anyone else deciding to substitute their 3 meals a day with a tub of cream for each meal before. I tried it because I thought it might work for me and I'm desperate to lose weight. Don't you think if I could lose weight your way I would? You are so fortunate that your weight went after only around a year. Please don't scorn those of us for whom your chosen diet failed. If willpower and self control were all that was needed I would be slim and would never have got fat. I simply didn't know that carbs were always a problem for me until I tried that initial diet after that bout of flu. I have only been diabetic for 4 years. I have been battling with my weight for so much longer.

For the lucky ones any type of weight loss diet will work, including LCHF, which would have worked for you too, if you hadn't believed the lies about fat and calories, You don't believe it because you didn't try it. Why would you? You didn't need to. I did. I know that your way doesn't work for me because I have tried it. You don't know that my way wouldn't work for you because you have never tried it. I don't have a problem with you or anyone else controlling your weight or diabetes any way you please as long as it works. I don't understand why you keep telling me that my way doesn't work when it's my last hope. It may be the last hope others have too. So you go on encouraging those who want to follow low GL and help them, but please don't tell me it will work for me. I did a low GI diet before you even gained your 5 stones. I had been putting on weight at a rate of 7 pounds a year back then. My GP gave me the GI diet along with recommended portion sizes years ago. I weighed everything and stuck to it to the letter. I gained 8 pounds in 2 weeks. You are so lucky that basically any diet would work for you, please don't try to make life harder for those of us for whom weight loss is extremely difficult.

Well done Gary on finding the right plan for you.

@azure I started typing this a long time before your post came up. I would be gratetful if it could stay since I was tagged and I am supplying an answer. I will leave the thread now. Thanks.

@zand I can see that you started your long lost before you'd seen mine. I am leaving it he so your response can be seen.

Let's leave it there, please, other debaters, and agree to disagree.

Sid Bonkers said:

I can assure you that there is no problem with my knowledge it has worked for me, but of course I could post up loads of contradictory links but you wouldnt bother reading them or you would choose to ignore the advice given from professionals, preferring to believe all the lchf bloggers and diet gurus who make money selling supplements and/or diet books.

Its calories that make one fat ie eating too much and that could be carbs protein of fat but is usually a combination of all three because most people in the UK eat too much which is why we now have an obesity epidemic in this country. And it is calories that when cut enable one to lose weight.

Oh, and heres the proof

Over 5 stone weight loss with NO extra fat added to my diet and maintained for over 5 years now.

Over to you?

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Hi Sid, you appeared to have lost your lady & gained a Fender Strat?!!

Congratulations on the new you!

@Gary1205 congratulations....

I too am an oddball like you. I know longer seem to have any insulin resistance (if I had it at all) after losing a lot of weight in a very short period of time. I managed to go from an HbA1c in the 90s to 40 in just 3 months. So yes we are both odd so you can now carry on working at staying odd alongside me (20 months now so only a toddler)

Jaylee said:

Hi Sid, you appeared to have lost your lady & gained a Fender Strat?!!

Congratulations on the new you!

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It was a tough choice