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I have beiing reading about diabetes in America and their guidelines for diabetics and it seems that even after all these years Dr Bernsteins diet is stil not offically recognised by them and their guidelines are much the same for diet as NHS ones are here, low fat with plenty of veg and fruit and a certain amount of grains They say all fruit and vegetables are good but the following they say are the superfoods for diabetics how much of these do you eat if any. I actually eat all of those but low on the wholegrain stuff.

Beans including lima kidney pinto and black beans
Wholegrains and nuts
Dark green leafy vegetables
Tomatoes
Beriies and citrus fruits
Fat free milk and yogurt.
Dr Bernstein who was an engineer only became a doctor because the medical world would not publish his papers on the LCHF diet so once quailified as an MD he was able to publish them himself and open his diabetic clinic in New York and presumably has made a fortune .I was suprised to find he was T1 I had assumed he was T2 as there seems to be more T2's who follow the LCHF diet
 
I think one of the problems with Dr Bernstein's diet is that it is referred to as LCHF and the HF bit would scare many HCPs who have been trained to think fats are bad. I've noticed a big increase in references to LCHF and Dr Bernstein in recent months on the forum and to some extent it's counter-productive in our battle to get the carbs down. The low-carb bit is to be applauded but the HF bit is unnecessary as you only need enough fats and proteins to provide the calories and other essential nutrients.
 
Dr Bernstein is an 80 year old T1 diabetic. I wish him continued good health.
 
Absolutely! Dr Bernstein was a kingpin in the development of self testing BG levels and inspirational to many... I just see this topic as being started as a cheap dig from the OP to be honest! :watching:
 
I eat them all (I'm a type 1) although I don't go for fat-free milk and yogurt, instead I choose semi-skimmed milk and full-fat yogurt.

I'd not heard of Dr Bernstein until I joined this forum, his diet is very restrictive and not many can stick to it in the long-term, some adapt his diet to their ends and include foods on his banned list...... which seems more like a sensible approach.
 
I don't eat beans, nuts, dark green leafy veggies, citrus fruits or low fat yogurt. So where does that leave me?;)
 
Dr Bernstein who was an engineer only became a doctor because the medical world would not publish his papers on the LCHF diet so once quailified as an MD he was able to publish them himself and open his diabetic clinic in New York and presumably has made a fortune
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I reaaaaaaaaaally don't think that's how peer review works.
 
paul-1976 said:
Absolutely! Dr Bernstein was a kingpin in the development of self testing BG levels and inspirational to many... I just see this topic as being started as a cheap dig from the OP to be honest! :watching:
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It was purely an observation Paul but you see it as you want to it makes no difference
 
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Daibell said:
I think one of the problems with Dr Bernstein's diet is that it is referred to as LCHF and the HF bit would scare many HCPs who have been trained to think fats are bad. I've noticed a big increase in references to LCHF and Dr Bernstein in recent months on the forum and to some extent it's counter-productive in our battle to get the carbs down. The low-carb bit is to be applauded but the HF bit is unnecessary as you only need enough fats and proteins to provide the calories and other essential nutrients.
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Yes I agree with you there a lot of people could see the high fat bit as having to eat loads of saturated meat fats so it could put them off of even lowering their carbs, Perhaps it would be better just to call it the LC diet
 
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AnnieC said:
This came from Dr Bernsteins biography
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My point was that I think a background in operational research would be more useful for getting your paper published than learning about human anatomy.
 
Isn't it amazing how people can read the same thing and come away with completely different understandings?

When I read Bernstein's book, the things I noticed were how he had pioneered a diet and lifestyle which allowed him to halt the development of severe complications - caused by following the medical advice he was given (based on the standard diabetic treatment of the time). In time, following his very low carb approach, his body has healed most, but not all, of those complications.

The term low carb high fat did not start with Bernstein. It has emerged very recently. I've no idea if Bernstein even uses the term, so linking it to him is a misrepresentation - unless you can clearly find the term used in his older works?

I agree that Bernstein's diet is very low carb - far lower than I would want to maintain for long. But my preferences to not affect whether that diet works, or not.

But I am amazed at your last paragraph @AnnieC .
The implication is that you would rather Bernstein had stayed ill, continued to suffer complications, failed in his career choice, been a financial failure, and not helped fellow diabetics improve their blood glucose control - because you think he should have blindly followed a diet plan after he had established it was causing his complications.

I hope I am wrong in my reading of your post, because it appears to be deliberately inflammatory.

Perhaps you could clarify?
 
I follow a high carb moderate protein lower fat deal - mostly because I do not eat or drink anything that comes from animals. My mom went vegetarian back in 2001 and has been diabetic t2 for 40 odd years, never on medication nor on insulin and followed a high carb moderate fat/protein deal all her adult life and has not developed any diabetic complications (she's now 80 y/o her last a1c had her at 5.4 and has for the past decade of her life).

Persoanlly I think it all depends on how your body works and what other medical conditions you might already have to deal with as to how following something like he suggests all diabetic's follow would really work for you or end you up in the ICU instead.
 
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Isn't it amazing how people can read the same thing and come away with completely different understandings?

When I read Bernstein's book, the things I noticed were how he had pioneered a diet and lifestyle which allowed him to halt the development of severe complications - caused by following the medical advice he was given (based on the standard diabetic treatment of the time). In time, following his very low carb approach, his body has healed most, but not all, of those complications.

The term low carb high fat did not start with Bernstein. It has emerged very recently. I've no idea if Bernstein even uses the term, so linking it to him is a misrepresentation - unless you can clearly find the term used in his older works?

I agree that Bernstein's diet is very low carb - far lower than I would want to maintain for long. But my preferences to not affect whether that diet works, or not.

But I am amazed at your last paragraph @AnnieC .
The implication is that you would rather Bernstein had stayed ill, continued to suffer complications, failed in his career choice, been a financial failure, and not helped fellow diabetics improve their blood glucose control - because you think he should have blindly followed a diet plan after he had LCHF dietestablished it was causing his complications.

I hope I am wrong in my reading of your post, because it appears to be deliberately inflammatory.

Perhaps you could clarify?
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Bunneria you have certainly got it wrong. I was just interested in what the US diabetes guidelines were in comparison to our and merely quoted what was in Dr Bernsteins biography
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Why are you so interested though "AnnieC" ? You don't want to follow a LCHF diet and you're very vocal about that- so what's your angle?? :watching:
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Brunneria said:
Isn't it amazing how people can read the same thing and come away with completely different understandings?

When I read Bernstein's book, the things I noticed were how he had pioneered a diet and lifestyle which allowed him to halt the development of severe complications - caused by following the medical advice he was given (based on the standard diabetic treatment of the time). In time, following his very low carb approach, his body has healed most, but not all, of those complications.

The term low carb high fat did not start with Bernstein. It has emerged very recently. I've no idea if Bernstein even uses the term, so linking it to him is a misrepresentation - unless you can clearly find the term used in his older works?

I agree that Bernstein's diet is very low carb - far lower than I would want to maintain for long. But my preferences to not affect whether that diet works, or not.

But I am amazed at your last paragraph @AnnieC .
The implication is that you would rather Bernstein had stayed ill, continued to suffer complications, failed in his career choice, been a financial failure, and not helped fellow diabetics improve their blood glucose control - because you think he should have blindly followed a diet plan after he had established it was causing his complications.

I hope I am wrong in my reading of your post, because it appears to be deliberately inflammatory.

Perhaps you could clarify?
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AnnieC said:
Yes I agree with you there a lot of people could see the high fat bit as having to eat loads of saturated meat fats so it could put them off of even lowering their carbs, Perhaps it would be better just to call it the LC diet
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In fact, Dr Bernstein refers to it as "low carbo" in his talks. He never uses the term LCHF that I've heard.

Dr Bernstein brought out his diet many years before the term LCHF was made popular by the Swedes.


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… and presumably has made a fortune.I was suprised to find he was T1 I had assumed he was T2 as there seems to be more T2's who follow the LCHF diet
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Exactly what are you implying here? That he’s some kind of money grubber who only got into medicine to make money rather than a concerned diabetic who only wants to help other diabetics recover from the complications that he was able to reverse in himself? If you’re not trying to have a go at the man, it’s a decidedly odd thing to say.
 
Yes Brunneria you have certainly got it wrong and you strayed totally from the thread because if you read my post properly you would see it was not about LCHF what I wrote was an observation of the US diabetes diet. The references to Dr Bernstein was from his biography which I was interested in reading as his view on diabetes as i am sure many have and the only reference I made about the diet was that the American diabetes association still did not recogonise it in their guidelines. I was interested in comparing theirs with the NHS guidelines in the course of me reading about diabetes. I myself do low carb as much as my weight will allow without loosing more but that is not what this thread is about

My actual question was perfectly straight forward did people eat the foods that the the US diabetes association say are super foods for diabetics not about how the diet came about that is a different subject altogether. As for you saying that the implication was that I would have rather Dr Berstein stayed ill is just totally silly. Good job others did not see it as you did but answered it
paul-1976 said:
Why are you so interested though "AnnieC" ? You don't want to follow a LCHF diet and you're very vocal about that- so what's your angle?? :watching:
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as the question was... what they would eat or not from the US superfoods list.I will not dignify and more negative wi


When I read Bernstein's book, the things I noticed were how he had pioneered a diet and lifestyle which allowed him to halt the development of severe complications - caused by following the medical advice he was given (based on the standard diabetic treatment of the time). In time, following his very low carb approach, his body has healed most, but not all, of those complications.

The term low carb high fat did not start with Bernstein. It has emerged very recently. I've no idea if Bernstein even uses the term, so linking it to him is a misrepresentation - unless you can clearly find the term used in his older works?

I agree that Bernstein's diet is very low carb - far lower than I would want to maintain for long. But my preferences to not affect whether that diet works, or not.

But I am amazed at your last paragraph @AnnieC .
The implication is that you would rather Bernstein had stayed ill, continued to suffer complications, failed in his career choice, been a financial failure, and not helped fellow diabetics improve their blood glucose control - because you think he should have blindly followed a diet plan after he had established it was causing his complications.

I hope I am wrong in my reading of your post, because it appears to be deliberately inflammatory.

Perhaps you could clarify?[/QUOTE]

paul-1976 said:
Why are you so interested though "AnnieC" ? You don't want to follow a LCHF diet and you're very vocal about that- so what's your angle?? :watching:
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I do lower carbs and have some HF but we all have to adapt it to suit ourselves as I am sure you do Paul
 
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