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catherinecherub
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As this seems to be a recipe for 6 people, (or do you think it is for 1?) then your portion of the honey would be 1/3rd. teaspoonful. When you think of some of the foods that are recommended for diabetics then I cannot see why this is so bad. I would rather eat this than a ready meal or something highly processed.
Problem is, once you've got runny honey in the cupboard, you're gonna use all of it (sooner or later), right? When you think that a jar of runny hunny is very high in sugar, wouldn't you be better off NOT eating it?
(Who cares if you eat 1000g of pure sugar over 6 months - the body deals with it in small amounts, right? But if it's known to cause damage, why not just avoid it altogether?)
Everything in moderation requires will power. If it's not in the cupbard, you don't need will power!
(Who cares if you eat 1000g of pure sugar over 6 months - the body deals with it in small amounts, right? But if it's known to cause damage, why not just avoid it altogether?)
Everything in moderation requires will power. If it's not in the cupbard, you don't need will power!
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catherinecherub
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Mine is in the fridge :lol: :lol: :lol: and I know it is there for other people and wouldn't use it.
Perhaps you need to see a counsellor if your will power is that weak.
Perhaps you need to see a counsellor if your will power is that weak.
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There's less than 5g carb per serving from the honey in that dish but thanks for the reminder Patch, i just checked the date of the runny honey in my cupboard as it's been there for ages, still in date 
Seriously though Patch, in one way I can understand your thoughts,not having it you won't be tempted but I wonder if you allowed yourself small amounts like the 1/3 of a teaspoon in this recipe if it would be less of a forbidden fruit and less of a temptation.
It's certainly no worse than the odd square of dark choc many people allow themselves.
edited to get my smiley back!
Seriously though Patch, in one way I can understand your thoughts,not having it you won't be tempted but I wonder if you allowed yourself small amounts like the 1/3 of a teaspoon in this recipe if it would be less of a forbidden fruit and less of a temptation.
It's certainly no worse than the odd square of dark choc many people allow themselves.
edited to get my smiley back!
I can moderate the amount of dark choc I eat pretty well. But I know that when honey is in the cupbard EVERYTHING gets the terriyaki treatment!
Are you serious?
"Excuse me Dr. My will power is terribly weak - do you think I would benefit from speaking to a councellor?"
Yeah, right. :?
NIce to see that in the mods absence, sly digs are still being posted by a few donuts.
catherinecherub said:
Are you serious?
"Excuse me Dr. My will power is terribly weak - do you think I would benefit from speaking to a councellor?"
Yeah, right. :?
NIce to see that in the mods absence, sly digs are still being posted by a few donuts.
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Why do you find it necessary to have a dig at anyone who disagrees with you Patch?
The recipe sounds OK to me too so you can add me to the doughnuts list Patch :lol:
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Speaking as a beekeepers' daughter :wink: . . . honey doesn't go off, so you can ignore the sell-by date. It may crystallize, but it's still okay. Eventually it may go black, but it's probably still okay, just doesn't look appetising!
If you really don't want it, scrape it onto an old plate or something and put it out for the bees to recycle. They'll be very grateful for it, and they're fun to watch.
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I still have 3 jars of Yorkshire heather honey in the cupboard. I wonder when I think I'm going to eat it?
If you really don't want it, scrape it onto an old plate or something and put it out for the bees to recycle. They'll be very grateful for it, and they're fun to watch.
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I still have 3 jars of Yorkshire heather honey in the cupboard. I wonder when I think I'm going to eat it?
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By the way, any comments on this one? :
From 'Looking after yourself' or 'helping make sense of diabetes', an information booklet handed out by my practice. It's by sanofi aventis, and I think is primarily aimed at Type 1s, though it doesn't actually say so!
Page 30 - What happens if I am ill?
Thing to eat or drink if you don't feel hungry:
Thick creamy soup :?:
Rice pudding :shock:
Ice cream :shock:
Fruit juice :shock:
Non-diet fizzy drinks - such as lemonade, Lucozade or cola. :shock:
If you can't eat, have a sugary drink instead
If you take tablets: keep taking the tablets; if you test your blood glucose you will need to do this more often.
Are they trying to kill me?! :shock: :shock: :shock:
Viv
Maybe someone can reply with what you really should do if you can't eat? for a Type 1 or a Type 2?
Please!
Viv
From 'Looking after yourself' or 'helping make sense of diabetes', an information booklet handed out by my practice. It's by sanofi aventis, and I think is primarily aimed at Type 1s, though it doesn't actually say so!
Page 30 - What happens if I am ill?
Thing to eat or drink if you don't feel hungry:
Thick creamy soup :?:
Rice pudding :shock:
Ice cream :shock:
Fruit juice :shock:
Non-diet fizzy drinks - such as lemonade, Lucozade or cola. :shock:
If you can't eat, have a sugary drink instead
If you take tablets: keep taking the tablets; if you test your blood glucose you will need to do this more often.
Are they trying to kill me?! :shock: :shock: :shock:
Viv
Maybe someone can reply with what you really should do if you can't eat? for a Type 1 or a Type 2?
Please!
Viv
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Although I dont know for sure I would guess that if you are not able to eat due to illness then your bg is likely to drop to hypo levels which would then cause your liver to dump glucose into your blood so by drinking a small amount of sugary drink you are keeping enough glucose in your system to stop that happening, it is far easier to limit your glucose intake than to have your liver dump glucose that you can do nothing about.
Like I say I dont know if thats correct but I tend to see the good in things rather than suspecting all NHS literature is useless I would think there is method there somewhere.
Like I say I dont know if thats correct but I tend to see the good in things rather than suspecting all NHS literature is useless I would think there is method there somewhere.
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catherinecherub said:
I wrote this without malice Patch.
You have often said that you have an uneasy relationship with food or words to that effect. You can get counselling for this, it comes under the heading of eating disorders. Your signature lends evidence to this. Maybe I should have worded it better or maybe you should not have been so defensive.
I'd actually eat this and in fact have eaten something similar. Not everyday of course but occasionally and my bg only went to 7.5 which I thought was pretty good. For some strange reason brown sugar and honey in nice tiny portions don't hit me nearly as badly as a healthy portion of carbs. I think that's why I put on pots of weight on my 'low fat, low sugar, way too many carbs' diet and am still losing on my 'lowish carbs, small portions don't worry too much about the fat' diet. Have to admit, I still have difficulty believing it some days ( after a particularly yummy day ) but I guess the scales and inability to keep my trousers up don't lie :lol:
I think this is based on some sense.
Essentially if you're vomiting, it may make sense to take sugar to at least keep your strength up.
In the occasions when I'm not feeling too good with flu-ish symptoms I find I crave sweet things -which I wouldn't normally.
I get the impression that when ill, the body needs its sugar reserves to help fight the infection. That would certainly make some sense of why the liver is so keen to dump sugar into the blood whenever we catch a virus.
When I crave sugar when ill, I do tend to give in a little but don't tend to go crazy
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t1 and illness... why carbs?
During illness, particuarly when there is a fever present. the liver will release extra glucose to fight the infection
At the same time stress hormones are released preventing insulin from being so effective.
Glucose levels rise, some will be excreted along with fluids in the urine.
The body needs to replace the stores in the liver.
if rapid energy in the form of carbs isn't eaten then fat and muscle may be broken down for use. More insulin will be needed to stop them to rising very quickly. A cycle leading to DKA is being set up,
Hence the advice not to stop insulin (indeed to increase it if necessary,) to test for ketones and to replace energy by with small quantities of easily digested carbs in fluid form.
In some illnesses though Sid's suggestion is valid. Particularly with gastroenteritis. I recently had an episode of diarrhoea.I had the worst hypo I've ever had and it took a lot of glucose to get levels up again and surprisingly when I tested, in spite of really low glucose levels I found that I had produced some ketones. Fortunately it was only one bout... I'm very glad it was only one!
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During illness, particuarly when there is a fever present. the liver will release extra glucose to fight the infection
At the same time stress hormones are released preventing insulin from being so effective.
Glucose levels rise, some will be excreted along with fluids in the urine.
The body needs to replace the stores in the liver.
if rapid energy in the form of carbs isn't eaten then fat and muscle may be broken down for use. More insulin will be needed to stop them to rising very quickly. A cycle leading to DKA is being set up,
Hence the advice not to stop insulin (indeed to increase it if necessary,) to test for ketones and to replace energy by with small quantities of easily digested carbs in fluid form.
In some illnesses though Sid's suggestion is valid. Particularly with gastroenteritis. I recently had an episode of diarrhoea.I had the worst hypo I've ever had and it took a lot of glucose to get levels up again and surprisingly when I tested, in spite of really low glucose levels I found that I had produced some ketones. Fortunately it was only one bout... I'm very glad it was only one!
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Thanks everyone for the replies/ discussion on what to do if you can't eat. I found it very helpful.
I must admit that when I had my annual cold over Christmas I occasionally resorted to my pre-diabetic comforter of a Lemsip with a teaspoon of honey. I was surprised when my BG stayed within range!
Viv
I must admit that when I had my annual cold over Christmas I occasionally resorted to my pre-diabetic comforter of a Lemsip with a teaspoon of honey. I was surprised when my BG stayed within range!
Viv
