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Mike IBS

Member
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Location
Hereford
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi everyone. Diagnosed with type 2 last week following "classic symptoms" , urine and blood test with a score of 22.
Had my first session with the nurse and the initial order of the day is diet and metforin.


I have an added complication of also being an IBS sufferer. My symptoms are mild compared to a lot of others and it certainly doesn't dictate my life like some of the worst cases I have read about.

It does however mean that when I look at the list of what food is good/bad for IBS I now have a new list to look at when aiming to reduce my blood sugar levels. Typically, what food might be good for IBS is not good for T2 and vice versa so if there is anyone out there in a similar situation then I would be interested to hear from you regarding how to balance both diets.
My IBS intolerance has never been 100% pinpointed to one food or food group but white bread I think was the main culprit and this was cut down a few years ago from 6 times a week to no more than twice a week and this has vastly reduced the frequency of the symptoms.
Apologies for making my first post more about IBS than diabetes but they are linked by diet and I just want to get it right.

Thanks

Mike
 
HI welcome to the forum. :)

I'll tag @daisy1 who will be along with some useful information.

Hopefully others can help you with the IBS.
 
Are you absolutely certain that you are an IBS sufferer? I was diagnosed with IBS many years ago, but a second opinion confirmed that I was in fact suffering from food intolerances. Many years later and a lot of trial and error later, I can now eat whatever I like without the nasty effects of IBS. I am on medication though for the intolerances. As a T1, I obviously have food restrictions, but can cope with these easily.
 
Hi Mike, welcome.

What diet did your nurse recommend (I can guess)?

My wife is not diabetic but has been following the same diet as me (see below). Her IBS has improved immensely presumably due mainly to carb/gluten reduction.
 
@Mike IBS

Hello Mike and welcome to the forum :)

I can't help you with regard to IBS but I can help on the diabetes side. Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will come along and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 140,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
@June_C
I never had any reason to doubt my GP's diagnosis as I presented with common symptoms, reduced the occurrences through a reduced intake of a food group and when the pain did occur, the tablets worked. You have got me thinking though. Maybe I should go see him ?

@sanguine
The discussion re my diet seemed to be quite generic and centred on getting the balance right. I think telling her about the IBS maybe threw her a bit. She did recommend that I join the diabetes group which is run by local NHS and speak with the dietician. Can I ask what you think the nurse recommended?

@daisy1
Thank you for the info. I think I am going to be kept busy☺
 
Hi. I was about to ask the same question as Sanguine. I'm afraid the NHS typically offers very poor diet advice so beware of NHS dieticians. Run a mile if they suggest a 'healthy balanced diet' or have 'starchy carbs with every meal' etc. As diabetics we are glucose intolerant so need to keep the carbs down but fat and protein and veg of course are fine. I suspect the diabetic diet isn't too far removed from the IBS one?
 
Hi Mike - like you, just diagnosed with Type 2 and also am IBS sufferer. My IBS symptoms were very severe and a couple of years ago I went on a low FODMAP diet which has worked brilliantly. My attacks are much reduced and much milder than they used to be. My GP has suggested a low carb diet for the diabetes and a few sessions with a dietician. I am currently trying to look at the 2 diets and make them match. If the dietician doesn't go along with the GP's low carb suggestions I am going to a private one - have found one that deals with both low FODMAP diet and diabetic low carb diet. The main thing so far is that beans and pulses are an absolute no on a low FODMAP diet - so are apples, pears, stone fruit, wheat etc. I get round the wheat ban by cooking with spelt flour but am prepared to drastically cut down on even that. What sort of diet are you on for the IBS? I would be very reluctant to modify the FODMAP diet too much - my IBS attacks were crippling but if push comes to shove diabetes is more dangerous than IBS.
 
@sanguine
The discussion re my diet seemed to be quite generic and centred on getting the balance right. I think telling her about the IBS maybe threw her a bit. She did recommend that I join the diabetes group which is run by local NHS and speak with the dietician. Can I ask what you think the nurse recommended?

Hi Mike

Most of us are recommended to eat carbs with every meal in accordance with the NICE Eatwell Plate. Many of us consider this to be nonsense for a diabetic because carbs metabolise to sugar quickly in the bloodstream, and consequently cut back on carbs as much as possible.

Have a read of the first link in my sig below for more info.
 
Hi. I was about to ask the same question as Sanguine. I'm afraid the NHS typically offers very poor diet advice so beware of NHS dieticians. Run a mile if they suggest a 'healthy balanced diet' or have 'starchy carbs with every meal' etc. As diabetics we are glucose intolerant so need to keep the carbs down but fat and protein and veg of course are fine. I suspect the diabetic diet isn't too far removed from the IBS one?
I am going to get an appointment with the dietician and see what advice they offer especially considering your comments. Re the IBS diet, people with this don't necessarily have the same food tolerance as each other so what affects some doesn't affect others although they are certain things that all IBS sufferers should steer clear of. I'm very glad I joined this forum
 
Here is a link to the low FODMAP diet http://www.med.monash.edu/cecs/gastro/fodmap/

I am fine with some groups - I can tolerate lactose for example and am OK with onions in small doses. Main things that give me problems are wheat, beans and pulses, garlic, apples, pears and stone fruit, cabbage, cauliflower and broccoli.

Hi Poppy62. Thanks for the info. I think bread is probably the main cause of my IBS. Before I was diagnosed approx 5 years ago following the normal symptoms, my diet was poor. In fact there was no diet ! 6 days of the week my lunch would be in between 4 slices of white bread. After diagnosis I looked and the list of possible culprits and decided to cut out the bread. My occurrences almost disappeared and now I can go months without the symptoms although I still eat white bread but Max twice a week without undue problems. Obviously that needs to reduce again since last weeks diabetes diagnosis. As you say, the thing now is to find a diet that helps both IBS and T2. Happy hunting ☺
 
Mike, I was the same with wheat bread but I am fine with spelt. My husband now bakes all our bread with that. Now of course I have to have a re-think.
 
Hi & welcome.
The Lchf way of eating helps with IBS as it cuts out food stuffs that can cause it, the Nhs way really doesn't help control the condition.
By following in the footsteps of those on here that tell you it works you can possibly put off the onset of complication for many years to come.
 
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