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Any of you people 'foodies'?

See, the theme everyone here is saying is that none of you feel hunger any more. Forgive me if the concept terrifies me, if only because the only time in my life where I haven't felt hunger is when I had developed diabetes, but hadn't yet been diagnosed.

The only time I've not felt hunger was when the most major health issue I've ever ahd raised it's head. Although I suppose there was the time I developed Hepatitis, too. I didn't feel hungry then, either.

Now that's just me. Anyone else have the same experience though? Shouldn't that be taken as a warning that feeling hunger is normal, and when you don't feel hungry, something is definitely very wrong?

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Hi UPB.

I think what most people mean when they say they don't feel hungry is actually about ' between meals ?' I certainly don't feel hungry anymore between my main meals, I am full until such time as my next meal comes along. There is a difference.

As far as I am concerned if I feel hungry after a meal then I probably haven't eaten enough or have eaten the wrong things. I am pleasantly satiated not 'stuffed.....!
 
Hi UPB,

I think your on the wrong track altogether, you seem to be inferring that because we don't feel hungry between meals we never feel hungry. Completely wrong as it's been said before by me and others, a low carb diet is far more satiating than a carb based meal, and therefore you last longer before feeling hungry. Your mistakenly drawing a comparison between carb cravings and a general lack of hunger. I'm always ready for my meals and do feel hungry but unlike pre diagnosis when after a carb based meal I was hungry within 2 hours of eating, I now find the hunger pangs don't kick in till 3 to 4 hours after meals.

Actually I do have a problem with the LC lifestyle being a skinny T2 I need to get through about 3500 calories per day, I really need to snack between meals to maintain my weight but of course I don't get hungry between meals so sometimes forget. I think being a tad underweight is a price worth paying for good blood glucose control.

As a T1 you will have learnt carb counting, I basically do the same by using my meter to calculate the amount that I can tolerate, it took a while and at a price due to only being allowed 50 strips I had to supplement them which is not cheap. The big difference is that you can vary the amount of carbs by adjusting your insulin dosage, I don't have that option once I found my levels I had to stick with them or suffer the consequences, after 18 months I'm still in control of my diabetes without the need for medications and aim to keep it that way for as long as possible.

As we already have two T1s from the non LC forum thinking they know better than us on the treatment of T2s, please don't follow this route. By all means convey your message to other insulin dependants on this forum, just remember T2s need a different approach in their management of carbs.

Regards
Graham
 
Hear hear Graham.

T1s and T2s are coming at the Diabetes thing from totally different angles.

T1s are Diabetic because they have too little insulin - which is why they are usually slim. T2s are Diabetic because they tend to produce too much insulin - which causes them to be overweight. They have plenty of insulin floating around their bodies, but the cells become resistant to receiving it.

My Mum was a slim T1. I was a fat T2 (I say was, because I am considerably slimmer now). But I was fat long before I ever got to the point of becoming Diabetic.

Years ago, when I was in my 20's I was told by a Naturopath that I should eat low-carb. When I did, I lost weight and had energy and slept well and all the things I hadn't been able to do for a long time. But I wasn't disciplined or mature enough to stick to it and the carbs would creep back.

I also wasted a lot of time feeling sorry for myself - why me? Why am I fat and they aren't? Why don't I have any energy? Why can they all eat what they want and I can't - you know the thing.

What has really made the biggest impact on me now and why my mind-set has changed completely is the realisation that carbs are damaging everyone. Now I don't feel sorry for myself any longer - I feel sorry for everyone else.

All those fat people out there have issues with insulin and carbs whether they are diabetic or not - that's why they are fat! You are skinny because you don't produce enough insulin (the only way you might get fat is if you ate loads of carbs and injected loads of insulin). But either way T1s, T2s and 'pre-diabetics' or those with 'Syndrome X' (impaired glucose tolerance) have problems dealing with carbs.

T1s might be able to get away with higher amounts of carbs - generally their cells do not have problems accepting the insulin, but T2s should definitely keep the carbs low, especially if they don't want to end up on insulin. If it hasn't gone too far or for too long, T2 could potentially be reversible if the carbs are kept low enough for the insulin resistance to no longer be a problem.

But I am probably wasting my time trying to convince you. It seems to me that you are on quite a different wavelength to the majority on here.

You seem to think that we have it all wrong. You also seem to be misunderstanding a lot of the comments or over-exaggerating them. Are you not reading them properly? Ken mentioned earlier on the thread that he meant 'not feeling hungry between meals' yet you still didn't get that. Of course we get hungry - just not ALL the time, like many of us used to! It's a healthy balanced hunger now that is properly satiated.

You seem to be getting angry and inflamed over quite innocuous comments. Is it because people are not 'saying' what you want to 'hear'? Loads of people on this thread answered your original question and more than adequately, yet all you saw was the 'hunger' thing.

This kind of response is not helpful. There are a lot on here who are struggling to get their Diabetes under control. You may be perfectly ok with yours, but they aren't and negative comments about low-carbing are not helpful. Whilst some can get their sugars under control on perhaps 60 - 80 gms carb per day, others need to go a lot lower - it all depends on the level of insulin resistance they are dealing with.

Because you are T1 this may not make sense to you, but as a T2 and as someone who is aware of my extreme gluten intolerance and the fact that I need to be VERY low carb in order to keep control, I fully endorse the low-carb ethic.

As Graham stated, please don't make the mistake of confusing the two.

(PS. By the way, there is a very strong link between T1 Diabetes and Celiac Disease, so much so that offspring of a T1 should be tested fairly regularly for Celiac - and believe me, whatever the ratio mentioned on the internet you can probably treble it). The testing procedure for Celiac only registers as positive if the reading is over 10, but any IgA reading indicates a level of gluten intolerance - and the testing procedure throws up an awful lot of false negatives - my Doctor said that she now has to get people tested perhaps three or four times or more before they will show a positive reading. I wish she had known that when I went for testing. It won't work for me now because I have been off gluten for too long (and I'm not going back on it again) but it makes me a bit cross because she only developed an interest in it and a better understanding of it (she didn't know zilch about it when I first mentioned it to her 18 months ago and asked for testing) because I triggered it, and lent her books and stuff on it. Comes to something when I am teaching my Doctor!)
 
Useless Pretty Boy said:
See, the theme everyone here is saying is that none of you feel hunger any more. Forgive me if the concept terrifies me, if only because the only time in my life where I haven't felt hunger is when I had developed diabetes, but hadn't yet been diagnosed.

The only time I've not felt hunger was when the most major health issue I've ever ahd raised it's head. Although I suppose there was the time I developed Hepatitis, too. I didn't feel hungry then, either.

Now that's just me. Anyone else have the same experience though? Shouldn't that be taken as a warning that feeling hunger is normal, and when you don't feel hungry, something is definitely very wrong?

:?:

What Ali and Graham said.

Before I went low carb food was a bit of an obsession. I could eat large carb based meals, and as I was hunting down my next mouthfull within 2 hours of eating, I'd be wondering why I felt hungry if startchy carbs were suposed to fill me up. My additional snacks would most likely add up to the equivalent of another full meal (at least). Eating was laden with guilt and while I often felt bloated, I'd also still be thinking of the next mouthful.

Now, I'm not wasting time looking for food. I can tell the difference between a carb craving and hunger and I'm ready for my food at meal times. And I enjoy every mouthful.

My snacks are now structured to try and avoid liver dumps, which seem to be the thing that sends my blood sugar up and I snack in the afternon and evening. And I'm enjoying the taste and texture of the food I eat, as opposed to the time when it was about cramming food in so quickly it barely touched the sides.
 
Useless Pretty Boy said:
See, the theme everyone here is saying is that none of you feel hunger any more. Forgive me if the concept terrifies me, if only because the only time in my life where I haven't felt hunger is when I had developed diabetes, but hadn't yet been diagnosed.

The only time I've not felt hunger was when the most major health issue I've ever ahd raised it's head. Although I suppose there was the time I developed Hepatitis, too. I didn't feel hungry then, either.

Now that's just me. Anyone else have the same experience though? Shouldn't that be taken as a warning that feeling hunger is normal, and when you don't feel hungry, something is definitely very wrong?

:?:

Have you actually read any of the posts?
 
UPB
Do you know what REAL hunger is?
It's a rare thing in our affluent Western world. I know what it feel like, if I don't eat for a LONG time. (24 hours or more) the wanting to eat feeling we often call hunger would probably be better described as "the munchies" It's psychological, not physical and triggered by sight of food, or the clock, or something other than an empty stomach.
"The munchies" are probably triggered by carb cravings too. It may well be like a smoking addiction or a craving for some drugs. Not based on a metabolic need( at least initially :? . I know addiction becomes physical.
 
cugila said:
Hi UPB.

I think what most people mean when they say they don't feel hungry is actually about ' between meals ?' I certainly don't feel hungry anymore between my main meals, I am full until such time as my next meal comes along. There is a difference.

As far as I am concerned if I feel hungry after a meal then I probably haven't eaten enough or have eaten the wrong things. I am pleasantly satiated not 'stuffed.....!
That makes a lot more sense, but until now, all I got presented with was 'we don't feel hungry', not many people were more specific.

I suppose that it wouldn't occur to me as I've never in my life felt hungry between meals. Like you say, if you feel hungry between meals, then you probably didn't eat enough.

Trust me, actually not feeling hungry, even having not eaten for most of the day, is scary.
 
The thing is , I actually often do not feel hungry before I need to eat but I know that I have to eat . However , once i start eating I enjoy what I am eating.
 
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