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Anyone see "Who are you calling fat?" on the Beeb last night
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I'll wait for P2 before passing judgement..
I felt there was a certain amount of self delusion but some interesting points were made.
One guy had undergone bariatric surgery another had put T2 into remission.. others had very different viewpoints.
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Here's a link for the Google challenged.
I like the blue hairdo...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0009tvl
I like the blue hairdo...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0009tvl
I did watch it last night, I must admit I am on board with the don't fat shame, be happy in your body message.
I personally don’t agree with and I am not a fan of the science deniers, the idea that being overweight does not come with much higher risks of medical complications and shorter life span to my mind is fact.
Leaving the room and chuckling about how silly it is to be talking about diabetes just strikes me as odd.
Will be interesting to see how it develops.
I personally don’t agree with and I am not a fan of the science deniers, the idea that being overweight does not come with much higher risks of medical complications and shorter life span to my mind is fact.
Leaving the room and chuckling about how silly it is to be talking about diabetes just strikes me as odd.
Will be interesting to see how it develops.
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Very interesting programme. About to watch the second episode. So frustrating to see the despondency among those in the group who actually wanted to lose weight. Not a single person on the show has any real understanding of what's going on. So sad when it's already understood but the truth is obfuscated and hidden from public view in the name of capitalism.
And didn't have at the end of the second part either which was a bit of a missed opportunity.
All the food I saw was incredibly carb heavy pizza, toast, pasta etc etc...
Surprised about Baroness Walmsley advocating for bariatric surgery for kids..
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As a morbidly obese person I am amazed by how few people understand what carbs are, and where they are found. Or that flour, potatoes, rice and pasta are carbs. Or that they are found in fruit and veg of many types. And in milk.
I recently had a discussion with someone online about how changing a cookie recipe to artificial sugar doesnt stop it being mainly carbs, due to the wheat flour in it. She refused to believe me until I added a link to a carbs list. And someone else whose husband has a fatty liver, and has been told to reduce his fats, but not his carb intake. I havent found the link to that research yet, so will ask in another thread soon.
It is actually scaring me how little people know, and how deliberate misinformation is pedaled in mainstream medical and general information. Too much to be coincidence me thinks.
The current situation is like the days when doctors handed out cigarettes to patients and encouraged them to smoke, and now blame the same people for getting lung cancer.
I recently had a discussion with someone online about how changing a cookie recipe to artificial sugar doesnt stop it being mainly carbs, due to the wheat flour in it. She refused to believe me until I added a link to a carbs list. And someone else whose husband has a fatty liver, and has been told to reduce his fats, but not his carb intake. I havent found the link to that research yet, so will ask in another thread soon.
It is actually scaring me how little people know, and how deliberate misinformation is pedaled in mainstream medical and general information. Too much to be coincidence me thinks.
The current situation is like the days when doctors handed out cigarettes to patients and encouraged them to smoke, and now blame the same people for getting lung cancer.
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Unless I'm mistaken the C-word wasn't mentioned once in either episode. Only fat and calories. It shouldn't really be a surprise, but it continues to frustrate that an entire two-part show about obesity didn't once mention carbohydrate
@bulkbiker yes, the comment from the Baroness about bariatric surgery needing to be made available for more children was amazing.
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I think I have said before, one of my GP’s had bariatric surgery. He said he used to eat a lot of bread.Unless I'm mistaken the C-word wasn't mentioned once in either episode. Only fat and calories. It shouldn't really be a surprise, but it continues to frustrate that an entire two-part show about obesity didn't once mention carbohydrate
@bulkbiker yes, the comment from the Baroness about bariatric surgery needing to be made available for more children was amazing.
Unless I'm mistaken the C-word wasn't mentioned once in either episode. Only fat and calories. It shouldn't really be a surprise, but it continues to frustrate that an entire two-part show about obesity didn't once mention carbohydrate
@bulkbiker yes, the comment from the Baroness about bariatric surgery needing to be made available for more children was amazing.
I haven’t watched it yet, but please consider writing in about it. Unless it is drawn to the programme makers’ attention, this lazy inaccurate style of reporting will continue. If we all contact them about how awful it is, they might well take notice.... well we can hope anyway.
I'm afraid I have complained to the BBC on a number of occasions to no avail.. you get fobbed off with a sad excuse and nothing ever is done. Drives me mad...
I have just watched both episodes and agree with your comments. Not convinced Victoria actually believes herself.
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Thought I'd posted about this as I found it interesting as type 2 was a major theme!
Have watched both episodes now. For anyone who hasn't watched it, the concept is 9 people with obesity live in a house together and discuss the topic.3-4 of them were Fat Acceptance champions and the others represented a more orthodox view of things so that made for interesting viewing.
The Body Positivity people were young and other than 'living in big bodies' they were healthy and therefore able to deny the health risks of obesity believing in 'intuitive eating' and 'fit at any size' . I thought they were conflating aesthetic acceptance with being healthy; you can be beautiful at any size but you can't be healthy IMO! It seems like a new brand of identity politics and adpoted the language e.g. 'thin privilege', fat shaming etc. Victoria the chief exponent of this concept seemed very possessed by this idea and was evangelical in her mission to get emotional eater Babs to love her fat body! And very judgemental of bariatric surgery. Not sure if she wasn't a plant!
But I do understand the point that obesity is always conflated with type 2 in particular. Would have been good if they'd had someone other than Giles Yeo (geneticist) to explain the hormonal theory where obesity is a downstream effect!
I liked the lady with the baby who is campaigning for obesity to be a disease with the right medical supports rather than a moral failing.
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I would not write in about it as the programme was about how people feel about being obese and it being stigmatised by society and how they feel about health risks. Not everyone agrees with the hormonal theory of obesity. OF the 2 diabetics shown 1 had had bariatric surgery (deemed to be 'stomach amputation' by the Fat Acceptance person) and the other had followed traditional advice to 'eat less, move more', It would have been great if they'd picked a low carber in remission but I suspect that Diabetes UK was contacted so they stuck with the mainstream advice. Still the guy probably was eating less junk and less carbs and the advice was working for him (he was young and I don't know if he'll stick it out).
I agree. I did say when I posted that, that I hadn’t watched it yet. On seeing the programme which was not about food, it would be inappropriate.
