Beware of misleading ingredients.

[Billy Barroo]

Thanks for the heads up on the scroll back..

How to Supplement with Betaine HCL for Low Stomach Acid

One of the most common methods of supplementing for low stomach acid is using Betaine Hydrochloride (HCL).

healthygut.com

What does your GP say regarding all this?

Seven Wright, (quote from site.) “recommends doing so under the guidance of a physician. No, seriously… it’s a good idea to find someone qualified to watch over your health and decisions. Your health isn’t a game, so get the right help.”

Health & safety first.

I was recommended some dodgy guidance under my GP and my diabetic team, they are dead against me being on a high fat, zero carb carnivore diet. They want me to carry on following their standard "eat and drink anything you want" advice and to keep on taking insulin to cover my sugar intake. I should already be dead by now according to them. My GP had no idea what Betaine Hydrochloride'was until I informed him. Qualified? lol. You're right, my life isn't a game and that's one of the main reasons why I keep well away from their tunnel visioned do as we say out of date stuck in their way of thinking advice. They can't accept the benefits of any other healthy ways of eating,

 

[Billy Barroo]

I said controversial not misleading. You misquote me.

What's controversial about it? Diabetics ingesting excess carbohydrates including the high glycemic index effect of maltodextrin "CAN" be fatal. There's nothing controversial about it, it's a well known fact Sugar goes by a slew of different names, making it easy for manufacturers to hide how much sugar is truly in a given product. While some of these names are more obvious, others are trickier to spot. eg: maltodextrin. It's in most foods and drinks, Other names for maltodextrin include corn syrup solids, modified corn starch, modified rice starch, modified tapioca starch, modified wheat starch, highly processed white powder made from potato starch etc.
Almost everyone (98.6% of survey respondents) routinely eats foods containing maltodextrin. Added and hidden maltodextrin products can increase the glycemic index with out you even knowing about and put diabetics into DKA.

 

[HSSS]

and that would apply equally to any other carb which potentially can raise bgl high enough

 

[Billy Barroo]

The point of this thread and topic is that it's trickier to spot maltodextrin when it's not even mentioned in a lot of products. Adding up carbs, seeing how much there is in food and drinks can be deceiving when high glycemic ingredient like maltodextrin is hidden in the ingredients.

 

[Jaylee]

I was recommended some dodgy guidance under my GP and my diabetic team, they are dead against me being on a high fat, zero carb carnivore diet. They want me to carry on following their standard "eat and drink anything you want" advice and to keep on taking insulin to cover my sugar intake. I should already be dead by now according to them. My GP had no idea what Betaine Hydrochloride'was until I informed him. Qualified? lol. You're right, my life isn't a game and that's one of the main reasons why I keep well away from their tunnel visioned do as we say out of date stuck in their way of thinking advice. They can't accept the benefits of any other healthy ways of eating,

Hi,

I’m not arguing that maltodextrin can raise BG levels. Lol, I’ve read a fair bit of stuff on this now you mention it including some sporty sites suggesting maltodextrin can keep energy levels up whilst training/competing?

I’ve done the maff & worked out that if I held my nose & necked a teaspoon of the stuff My BG would increase by 3 or 4Mmol. (But that’s just me.)

I’ve seen other mentions on this site regarding the properties of maltodextrin, which I’m sure you have too..

Since you discovered the capsules containing maltodextrin could the only trigger for raising BGs.
& since you’ve cut your dosage, there seems to be no improvement regarding your BGs. (I believe you mentioned they got worse?)

Could there be a possibility that “something else” is going on?

 

[Billy Barroo]

@Billy Barroo up-thread, I asked about (paraphrasing, so forgive me, "....evidence of people using maltodextrin for hypos...." Could I ask you again to point me to such evidence as it is aplenty from what you say?

I'm just keen to understand what those people do to get enough maltodextrin to cause a sea change in glucose levels and be able to judge "dosages".

Hi,

I’m not arguing that maltodextrin can raise BG levels. Lol, I’ve read a fair bit of stuff on this now you mention it including some sporty sites suggesting maltodextrin can keep energy levels up whilst training/competing?

I’ve done the maff & worked out that if I held my nose & necked a teaspoon of the stuff My BG would increase by 3 or 4Mmol. (But that’s just me.)

I’ve seen other mentions on this site regarding the properties of maltodextrin, which I’m sure you have too..

Since you discovered the capsules containing maltodextrin could the only trigger for raising BGs.
& since you’ve cut your dosage, there seems to be no improvement regarding your BGs. (I believe you mentioned they got worse?)

Could there be a possibility that “something else” is going on?

Lowering my HCL could have something to do with it. My blood sugars rose before I noticed the added Maltodextrin ingredient on the bottle, I cut my Betaine Hydrochloride + Pepsin dosage down from 8 to 2 capsules per day, I'm now having digestive problems " I'm not being able to digest my food".......and it's causing other problems, inflammation, headaches etc, Which can,also raise blood sugars.

Here's another link. stating Maltodextrin is one of the most common, hidden-in-plain-sight cons on the market today. It is glorified, processed sugar that masquerades as “carbs.”

The Low-Sugar Con Part 1: Maltodextrin

The Hidden Dangers Of Maltodextrin Part 1 of a 2 part series on the hidden dangers of sweeteners In today’s highly competitive economy, the new normal is for food manufacturers to use marketing ploys to make their products appear healthy – even when they aren’t. Maltodextrin is one of the most...

bodyhealth.com

 

[Antje77]

Here's another link. stating Maltodextrin is one of the most common, hidden-in-plain-sight cons on the market today. It is glorified, processed sugar that masquerades as “carbs.”

They are carbs, and carbs is what we look at for dosing, for treating a hypo and for diet control in T2. Sugar or other carb doesn't matter much, read the back of the pack.

 

[Billy Barroo]

They are carbs, and carbs is what we look at for dosing, for treating a hypo and for diet control in T2. Sugar or other carb doesn't matter much, read the back of the pack.

Reading the back of the pack or bottle doesn't do much good, or help anyone if the hidden ingredient maltodextrin isn't mentioned or shown before purchasing the product does it?

 

[Antje77]

Reading the back of the pack or bottle doesn't do much good, or help anyone if the hidden ingredient maltodextrin isn't mentioned or shown before purchasing the product does it?

The amount when taking the recommended dose is too low to be fatal in pills.

If you buy a product lacking nutritional information, you know you don't have the nutritional information.
We all know 'no added sugar' doesn't tell us anything, orange juice doesn't have added sugars either, works a charm to get out of a serious hypo very quickly.

 

[Rokaab]

Reading the back of the pack or bottle doesn't do much good, or help anyone if the hidden ingredient maltodextrin isn't mentioned or shown before purchasing the product does it?

To be honest that is just the fault of the website selling it of not being uptodate, this can happen if it previously did not have said ingredient, looks like the bottle does tell you exactly what it has.
Tell the website owner about it, they may just not have noticed

 

[Billy Barroo]

To be honest that is just the fault of the website selling it of not being uptodate, this can happen if it previously did not have said ingredient, looks like the bottle does tell you exactly what its.
Tell the website owner about it, they may just not have noticed

I have told the website owner about it. It's in one of my earlier posts on this thread. This isn't the first time. It's happened with several other brands. I've also been in contact with the manufacturers of the product. Just waiting for their reply.

 

[Billy Barroo]

The amount when taking the recommended dose is too low to be fatal in pills.

If you buy a product lacking nutritional information, you know you don't have the nutritional information.
We all know 'no added sugar' doesn't tell us anything, orange juice doesn't have added sugars either, works a charm to get out of a serious hypo very quickly.

That's not how it works, there's a protocol. 1 to 2 capsules a day is the minimum. for low stomach acid That is the starting point. to supplement with
I was down to 8 capsules.

How to Supplement with Betaine HCL for Low Stomach Acid

One of the most common methods of supplementing for low stomach acid is using Betaine Hydrochloride (HCL).

healthygut.com

 

[AndBreathe]

Lowering my HCL could have something to do with it. My blood sugars rose before I noticed the added Maltodextrin ingredient on the bottle, I cut my Betaine Hydrochloride + Pepsin dosage down from 8 to 2 capsules per day, I'm now having digestive problems " I'm not being able to digest my food".......and it's causing other problems, inflammation, headaches etc, Which can,also raise blood sugars.

Here's another link. stating Maltodextrin is one of the most common, hidden-in-plain-sight cons on the market today. It is glorified, processed sugar that masquerades as “carbs.”

The Low-Sugar Con Part 1: Maltodextrin

The Hidden Dangers Of Maltodextrin Part 1 of a 2 part series on the hidden dangers of sweeteners In today’s highly competitive economy, the new normal is for food manufacturers to use marketing ploys to make their products appear healthy – even when they aren’t. Maltodextrin is one of the most...

bodyhealth.com

I think you may have forgotten to actually answer me when you tagged me? Thanks

 

[Antje77]

That's not how it works, there's a protocol. 1 to 2 capsules a day is the minimum. for low stomach acid That is the starting point. to supplement with
I was down to 8 capsules.

How to Supplement with Betaine HCL for Low Stomach Acid

One of the most common methods of supplementing for low stomach acid is using Betaine Hydrochloride (HCL).

healthygut.com

So 8 capsules are likely between 1 and 6 grams of carbs from maltodextrin.

Had you just posted to share your annoyance with 'hidden' ingredients, you'd likely have found most of us heartily agreeing. It is truly frustrating that not all products are obliged to provide nutritional information.

As it is, you chose to add that "A sudden increase in blood glucose in people with insulin resistance or diabetes can be fatal", suggesting this had a relationship with those supplements.
You didn't die from your possible slight increase of bg due to those few added carbs, and you didn't come close to dying from it. What's more, nobody did because the amount ingested is too small. Ergo, it's not fatal.

In regular foods, where an ingredient like maltodextrin can be more substantial than a daily amount of only a couple of grams, there's the nutritional information on the back, nothing hidden about it because it's calculated in the carbs.

You're the one who chose to include the fatal bit, without even adding you were quoting something, so you made it look like you believe the BG-rise from those supplements can be fatal.
So don't be surprised we react to that bold statement, and not to the part where manufacturers don't share information about their products.

A sudden increase in blood glucose in people with insulin resistance or diabetes can be fatal.

And quoted from a source or not, this is not correct.
- A prolonged rise to very high numbers can be fatal by DKA.
- A very long term moderate rise can be fatal by various diabetic complications.
- Thousands of sudden increases in BG can be fatal, again by complications from long standing diabetes.

But a sudden increase, a spike as we know it, is not fatal. Your source is wrong.
A sudden drop can be fatal in those treated with certain medications (most people with insulin resistance or diabetes are not treated by such medications), a sudden rise can not.

 

[Billy Barroo]

@Billy Barroo up-thread, I asked about (paraphrasing, so forgive me, "....evidence of people using maltodextrin for hypos...." Could I ask you again to point me to such evidence as it is aplenty from what you say?

I'm just keen to understand what those people do to get enough maltodextrin to cause a sea change in glucose levels and be able to judge "dosages".

It's hard to judge the dosage when the maltodextrin ingredient is hidden in the product. I have to carefully watch my protein levels, any excess protein raises my blood sugars, Maltodextriin elevates it even more. Yes there's plenty of folk out there using maltodextrin for hypos and if they do their own research on the subject of (maltodextrin hypos, diabetes, sports etc.) they'll get the answers there. It's there for all to see.

 

[Billy Barroo]

I think you may have forgotten to actually answer me when you tagged me? Thanks

Sorry for the delay, but I've been quite busy today.

 

[Jaylee]

It's hard to judge the dosage when the maltodextrin ingredient is hidden in the product. I have to carefully watch my protein levels, any excess protein raises my blood sugars, Maltodextriin elevates it even more. Yes there's plenty of folk out there using maltodextrin for hypos and if they do their own research on the subject of (maltodextrin hypos, diabetes, sports etc.) they'll get the answers there. It's there for all to see.

Sorry. But why would I buy/order online as a T1 on exogenous insulin, maltodextrin. Which looks pretty pricey online.
When I can just walk into a shop & score a bag of jelly babies for a fraction of the price for “just in case” I go low??

There are also “sporty” drinks that can achieve the same fix from the high street if going low, too.. I’ve had one hanging about behind the passenger seat in my van for the last 6 months…

With the best will in the world.
I feel you seriously should be looking at a revision on your meds if “excess protein” raises BGs.
As a T1 myself. I need to factor in how it might (& it can.) eventually affect my levels.

 

[Aishia]

Anyone for coffee?

 

[AndBreathe]

It's hard to judge the dosage when the maltodextrin ingredient is hidden in the product. I have to carefully watch my protein levels, any excess protein raises my blood sugars, Maltodextriin elevates it even more. Yes there's plenty of folk out there using maltodextrin for hypos and if they do their own research on the subject of (maltodextrin hypos, diabetes, sports etc.) they'll get the answers there. It's there for all to see.

Thanks for getting back to me.

So, to clarify, the evidence is observational or anecdotal? Not saying that is heinous, but just clarifying it isn't a proven method, as per peer reviewed research evidence.

Sometimes it's just important to be really clear in our words and sentiments.

 

[Billy Barroo]

So 8 capsules are likely between 1 and 6 grams of carbs from maltodextrin.

Had you just posted to share your annoyance with 'hidden' ingredients, you'd likely have found most of us heartily agreeing. It is truly frustrating that not all products are obliged to provide nutritional information.

As it is, you chose to add that "A sudden increase in blood glucose in people with insulin resistance or diabetes can be fatal", suggesting this had a relationship with those supplements.
You didn't die from your possible slight increase of bg due to those few added carbs, and you didn't come close to dying from it. What's more, nobody did because the amount ingested is too small. Ergo, it's not fatal.

In regular foods, where an ingredient like maltodextrin can be more substantial than a daily amount of only a couple of grams, there's the nutritional information on the back, nothing hidden about it because it's calculated in the carbs.

You're the one who chose to include the fatal bit, without even adding you were quoting something, so you made it look like you believe the BG-rise from those supplements can be fatal.
So don't be surprised we react to that bold statement, and not to the part where manufacturers don't share information about their products.

And quoted from a source or not, this is not correct.
- A prolonged rise to very high numbers can be fatal by DKA.
- A very long term moderate rise can be fatal by various diabetic complications.
- Thousands of sudden increases in BG can be fatal, again by complications from long standing diabetes.

But a sudden increase, a spike as we know it, is not fatal. Your source is wrong.
A sudden drop can be fatal in those treated with certain medications (most people with insulin resistance or diabetes are not treated by such medications), a sudden rise can not.

Just think of all those insulin resistant pre-diabetics that are on no medication and are already consuming high amounts of carbs and then topping themselves up with high glycemic hidden maltodextrin laced foods and drinks that are contained in their ingredients...... and who's to say what the amounts are that they are consuming day in day out. "They could actually be consuming a lot more than they think" and don't even realise that they are with their sugar addictions and cravings for pasta, cerials, rice, meat substitutes, baked goods, salad dressings, frozen meals, soups, sugars and sweets, energy and sports drinks etc. So NO I disagree with what you are saying, Some folk don't even read the ingredients or have no idea of what they even mean. I believe your theories and speculations are flawed with your out of context suggestions. Eating large amounts of maltodextrin when eating the above foods and drinks laced with maltodextrin "CAN" be fatal. You say " And quoted from a source or not, this is not correct." A prologed rise to very high numbers can be fatal by DKA. - A moderate rise can be fatal by various diabetic complications. Thousands of sudden increases in BG can be fatal, again by complications from long standing diabetes." PROVE THAT IT'S NOT CORRECT. My wife was told by several doctors and my diabetic team, that if she had waited any longer before getting me into hospital, that I would have died within 24 hours. My first HbA1c result after my discharge from hospital was 145 IFCC mmol/mol. In mmol/L this is equal to 21.9.