Blood Sugar not coming down-

ringi

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How much carb one should take in my case ? I thought 100 Carbs per day is ok..

Firstly remember to test BG often due to the insulin you are taking and I assume that if you drive you know the rules for testing before driving etc.

Some people reduce their carbs a little, and see that they get less bad BG results over the next few months, then reduce their carbs more etc – these people seem to never get great result, but can control Type2 well enough to stop most complications. Often these people come back in a few years time when they have lost control and their doctor wants to put them on more drugs/insulin.

Other people reduce their carbs as much as possible over a few days, then wait until their A1C have confirmed their BG control is now great (well below pre-diabetic levels), and they have stopped all drags/insulin other than Metformin. (Expect to have to reduce insulin within weeks.)

The 2nd group of people then choose when to eat carbs (e.g. when eating out) and as they have removed so much fat from their liver, they find that their body can cope with more carbs then they expect. (But if they then eat lots of carbs often, they regain the liver fat.)
 

Sami007379

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Hello every one. I just came back from Endocrinologist. She is suspecting I might be suffering from T1 instead of T2. She will let me know in 2 weeks. She has asked me not to take metformin any more. She has increased my Insulin from 10 to 15 at bed time.

I think i will end up taking insulin shots 4 times a day after every meal or eventually ending up getting a meter hooked up in my body. This is so depressing and shameful... Totally broken and disheartened.

Is there any one here with T1 ? Would love to hear from them and understand how i can prolong my life. ?

Thanks,
Sami
 

veggirl

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Hello every one. I just came back from Endocrinologist. She is suspecting I might be suffering from T1 instead of T2. She will let me know in 2 weeks. She has asked me not to take metformin any more. She has increased my Insulin from 10 to 15 at bed time.

I think i will end up taking insulin shots 4 times a day after every meal or eventually ending up getting a meter hooked up in my body. This is so depressing and shameful... Totally broken and disheartened.

Is there any one here with T1 ? Would love to hear from them and understand how i can prolong my life. ?

Thanks,
Sami
Yes it may be depressing but shameful it is certainly not. Read all over this forum, find out about diet and don't make too many drastic changes until you know if you are really Type 1 or 2 as treatment is different.
With more information comes more understanding and then you will know what steps to take and depression will lift. It might seem difficult now but many others have been down this road too and you will begin to overcome your problems. As you are on insulin don't try to go very low carb or you run the risk of hypos.
 
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Sami007379

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Guys, i think i have totally lost it. My Endocri..... has asked me to come back in 2 weeks, she has taken my blood and was sent to labcorp... in the mean time i am taking 15 units.. Still my blood sugars are so high.. yesterday after taking insulin at 11:30 PM. I checked my blood sugars at 12:30 AM. it was 420. Then this morning fasting... it was 243... I am going crazy with these wild swings...

By the way, yesterday at 6:30 PM my sugar was 130.. Not sure what is going on..

Any one has faced these wild swings ?
 

Zilsniggy

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Morning: Plain Roti/Chapati + boiled Egg + Tea no Sugar 30 Carbs..
Afternoon: Plain Salad with chicken pieces ( Subway Salad/ Wendy Salad) 39 Carbs
Snack: cup of fruits 20 Carbs..
Evening: Plain Roti/Chapati + Veggie 60 Carbs

Sami, you need to get the grains out of your diet. Most diabetics do not tolerate them at all well. So no roti, chapati, naan, dosa or anything like that.

No rice of any kind. Eat only non starchy veg grown above ground, as well as salad.

Don't eat fruits of any kind until you have adapted to this way of eating(low carb), and then you MAY be able to add some berries to your diet, but not a huge amount at a time

Start reading labels, look out for sugars(usually ending in 'ose' eg lactose, fructose, glucose), and many other types of starches.

Be careful of eating from Subway and Wendy, watch out that salads aren't dressed, as most dressings are full of sugar. Add olive oil and vinegar if you are desperate for a dressing.

The other thing to look out for, is if you are using lunch meats, or any processed meats as they often contain sugars as well.

It is a huge learning curve for you, but I'm sure with a bit of reading on your part, you will get there.

It goes without saying that you must also test, test, and test again during this process so that you get an idea of what is good for your blood sugar, and what isn't. It can be surprising, and sometimes contradictory, that the much advocated 'low fat healthy diet', just isn't at all!

I
'd recommend Dr Bernstein's Diabetes Solution. There are also Facebook Groups such as Reversing Diabetes, and Type 2 Diabetes Rebels. The Admins and mods on these groups are very knowledgeable, and can usually also advise on the adaptation of low carb for the Asian diet.

Good Luck!
 

paulus1

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Thank you every one.

I will not eat subway, any more. Here is the new diet..

Morning: Plain Roti/Chapati + boiled Egg + Tea no Sugar 30 Carbs..
Afternoon: Plain Salad with chicken pieces ( Subway Salad/ Wendy Salad) 39 Carbs
Snack: cup of fruits 20 Carbs..
Evening: Plain Roti/Chapati + Veggie 60 Carbs

I am still at 120 Carbs..

I have an appointment with specialist tomorrow. I will also show them my new diet. I will update here with my new numbers in few days.

Remember me in prayers.

Thanks,
Sami
you need to cut those roti and chapatis sorry you simply cant eat them. fruit again it depends what it is. i really urge you to watch the doctors videos i mentioned earlier.
 

Diakat

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Hi Sami,
I'm type 1.
Can I ask if you were loosing weight before diagnosis? What happened to lead to your diabetes diagnosis?
If you are type 1 it is not the end of the world and you would have more dietary freedom with correct injections.
 
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Sami007379

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Hi Sami,
I'm type 1.
Can I ask if you were loosing weight before diagnosis? What happened to lead to your diabetes diagnosis?
If you are type 1 it is not the end of the world and you would have more dietary freedom with correct injections.

Hi Diakat and all, good morning.

Yes, i was 210 Lbs and i went back to 155 lbs in 4 weeks. Crazy thirst and never ending hunger. Itching on fingers. My co worker told me i might be suffering from Diabetes. That's how i ended up being a Diabetic.

I will not know the diabetic Type until next Thursday. In the mean time, my doctor has asked me to just take 15 units bedtime. That's what i have been doing.

By the way. I have started running. Since then my sugar levels are showing signs' of decrease. Yesterday they were 113, after jogging. This morning, my fasting levels were 170.

So during day time if i run/jog, i am able to bring them down to 120's. But as soon as i eat something, they spike back to 210's.

At least i am not in 400's now. That was driving me crazy...
 

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It's better to come down a bit slow as a rapid drop can cause complications so you are doing ok.
It's not long until you'll get the result and then you can move forward with the correct advice / treatment for your type.
 
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heli2010

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Hi Sami be very carefull of going the KETO route it can mess up your body if you dont know what you are doing.
from my own experience if you are eating carbs eat them with proteins and very low if any fats and if you are eating fats then lessen the carbs with the meal.ie spicey chicken on a roll or eggs with toast but no mayo
on the excercise thing full on running tends to increase blood glucose but walking with intermitant bursts of jogging will lower it
 

TheBigNewt

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I'm guessing you're Type 1 what with the weight loss and all. BTW there's a whole Type 1 forum a few below this one if you're interested. Lot of Type 1's there, I've been for over 30 years didn't slow me down at all.
 
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Breakfast: 1 brown bread slice/ 1 boiled egg/ 1 cup of tea ( no Sugar)
Lunch: 6 Inch subway sandwich/Wheat bread/ turkey slice/ American Cheese and lettuce/red onion
Snack: Fruit bowl ( Pieces of Banana/papaya)
Dinner: Indian Naan with curry ( Meat + Vegetable )

What i am doing wrong ?

Oh dear, your doing everything wrong, what on earth are you doing eating bread even brown, and fruit payaya and banana are the worst to spike your sugars. Surely, your GP should inform you to eat only low carb and any fruits to be low fructose, berries, strawberries, and one or two if that.....and best NON AT ALL.

I am not surprised your sugars high and its down to self affliction if your eating as you say, sorry to be so forward, but this may be the only way for you to wake up and take charge of those very high sugars.

Example what I ate to day and I am only PRE DIABETIC

Breakfast
two eggs cooked in coco oil and butter scrambled with chopped fresh asparagus and one slice bacon
lunch
big cruncy salad, lots of raw foods, chopped carrot, cucumber, mung beans, few kidney beans, onions, avocado 5 small baby toms and tuna, seed cracker
dinner
steamed salmon on bed lemons with green beans and some caulifour
natural greek yogurt, few berries, and 4 walnuts

SEE THE DIFFERENCE OF EATING, my fasting is 80mg/dl and stays that way consistently.

Hope this helps

Mallorca
 

Incyb

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No need to be mean and self righteous! Everyone has to start somewhere.
 
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Hello Sami and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members which I hope will be useful to you. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

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Hello, thank goodness you put NICE recommended, as that is only what it means............did you know that the cut off figures are all ARBITRARY set, THAT MEANS At whim, choice and not supported by clinical or medical evidence to show the reason of the specified cut off, that's why they all say recommended, as no one really knows what the levels should be to base ones sugars testing..........that's the appalling side of diabetic business world.

So everyone frantically testing their fingers, hourly, before after eating, daily, how many times, seems crazy testing against what cut off numbers that are only arbitrary is ridiculous.

yes, there has to be a cut off, but as they are arbitrary set, by a so called committee saying, we lower the numbers, it will capture the disease early not so black and white I am afraid, by doing this, how many normal people become abnormal pre or diabetic, and more worrying over prescribed with medicines unnecessarily is the doubt question.......and not all size fits all comes into this, if your over 60, there has to be flexi zone no matter figures for example, same with A1C.

personally speaking not a doctor, but I take the numbers with sceptical view, until the Diabetes world which should be ashamed of itself, for not having set criteria cut offs backed supported by clinical evidence why that number is chosen, rather than give big business to the Pharms for more people falling under an arbitrary set number, it should have a set number that whole world follows as currently, the world differs on cut off levels for diagnosis, did you know the so called ADA and its specialists of Diabetes cannot even agree on what the cut off should be, so fi the experts cannot agree, what hope is there for anyone out there, knowing what number they should base their finger testing results.

How concerning is that one.
Mallorca
 

Shiba Park

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Guys, i think i have totally lost it. My Endocri..... has asked me to come back in 2 weeks, she has taken my blood and was sent to labcorp... in the mean time i am taking 15 units.. Still my blood sugars are so high.. yesterday after taking insulin at 11:30 PM. I checked my blood sugars at 12:30 AM. it was 420. Then this morning fasting... it was 243... I am going crazy with these wild swings...

By the way, yesterday at 6:30 PM my sugar was 130.. Not sure what is going on..

Any one has faced these wild swings ?
Several random observations...

Firstly, I found being in limbo between a T1 or T2 diagnosis was the worst part. Once you know which it is you can start dealing with it.

There's lots of conflicting advice in this thread - It's not wrong but reflects the different strategies for dealing with the two different types of this condition. In the mean time, it looks like you have found some level of management that will minimise the risks until you know one way or other. Having said that, the rapid and substantial weight loss you mentioned else where does make T1 a real possibility.

If it is T1, injecting insulin multiple times a day is a real drag, but it does give much more freedom in what you can eat.

What insulin have you been given? Even the rapid acting one's take some time to really get to work.

All the best.
 

Zilsniggy

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Hi Sami,

Since you were diagnosed a week ago it will take a little time for the readings to come down and your body to adjust to new diet. Initially it is best to keep away from most fruits especially bananas, oranges, grapes .They are very high in sugar. If you must have some fruit try some blueberries or other berries with a small cup of yogurt. Avacados also are filling and healthy. Increasing your protein content and reducing carb will keep your hunger levels in check. Boiled channa, lobia, peas are some ideas. Greens like methi , spinach and any other greens must be part of your diet everyday. Lentils are good too.I am a vegetarian ,so have given veg ideas. All the best!

Sorry, these aren't very low carb ideas for a diabetic. Avocadoes are still pretty high in carbs, and channa, lobia, peas are all too starchy, so still too high in carb content.
 

Zilsniggy

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Hello, thank goodness you put NICE recommended, as that is only what it means............did you know that the cut off figures are all ARBITRARY set, THAT MEANS At whim, choice and not supported by clinical or medical evidence to show the reason of the specified cut off, that's why they all say recommended, as no one really knows what the levels should be to base ones sugars testing..........that's the appalling side of diabetic business world.

So everyone frantically testing their fingers, hourly, before after eating, daily, how many times, seems crazy testing against what cut off numbers that are only arbitrary is ridiculous.

yes, there has to be a cut off, but as they are arbitrary set, by a so called committee saying, we lower the numbers, it will capture the disease early not so black and white I am afraid, by doing this, how many normal people become abnormal pre or diabetic, and more worrying over prescribed with medicines unnecessarily is the doubt question.......and not all size fits all comes into this, if your over 60, there has to be flexi zone no matter figures for example, same with A1C.

personally speaking not a doctor, but I take the numbers with sceptical view, until the Diabetes world which should be ashamed of itself, for not having set criteria cut offs backed supported by clinical evidence why that number is chosen, rather than give big business to the Pharms for more people falling under an arbitrary set number, it should have a set number that whole world follows as currently, the world differs on cut off levels for diagnosis, did you know the so called ADA and its specialists of Diabetes cannot even agree on what the cut off should be, so fi the experts cannot agree, what hope is there for anyone out there, knowing what number they should base their finger testing results.

How concerning is that one.
Mallorca
The numbers are suggested because diabetes complications occur with numbers consistently over those levels. I don't want to take further risks, and am on insulin, therefore I test. The nearer you can stay to normal, ie non diabetic numbers, the less damage there will be. You seem to have missed the point regarding testing at one and two hours after food. The point is to find out what effect the food has on your blood sugar, and whether you as an individual can tolerate it. We are all different, the approach of not testing may work for you, but it certainly works for me. How is youe A1C by the way?
 

Resurgam

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Avocados are very low carb - about 4 percent, so ideal for a type two and making very little impact on a type one.
I am not familiar with the foods listed, but a small serving of peas is OK for me - but I only found that out by testing.
 

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Judging by your dietary statements it shows possibly why your Blood Glucose readings were so high. Any "sins of omission" in the list of your daily eating habits? Pops, juices, extra fruits, any alcoholic beverages, other snacks? I think many of us are guilty of "Well just a small bit of this won't hurt." Your Blood Glucose readings are about what mine used to be before diet changes, less of "whatever" food, and awareness of what I do eat without thinking. I am now one of those "weirdos" reading every food nutrition label when I go shopping. Quite often with a big sigh and "OK, no more of that from now on". Avoiding the store bakery has been the most difficult task of all :)

I am Type 2, not on and never have been on Insulin. Just diet, Jardiance (it works for me but not everyone) instead of Metformin, back on a Statin (Crestor - even though a bit controversial) for cholesterol as my Endocrinologist wants my OK levels even lower, Pantoprazole (for acid reflux), and the usual multi-vitamin daily. In 3 months I dropped from highs like yours (250 mg/dL or 13.9 mmol/L or worse) down to 5.4 mmol/L or 97.2 mg/dL first thing in the morning before eating (used to be 160-180 mg/dL or 8.5 to 10 mmol/L). Also dropped 10 lbs (.7 stone) in 3 months from 182 to 172 lbs (not really overweight for 6 ft tall but it does feel more comfortable). My diet is not that of a saint either. I do watch my carbs but need to do much better. Hard to change eating habits after nearly 70 years LOL.

Watch the labels for Carbs per serving portion (portion ratio is important to consider). Sugars are Carbs so pay attention to total Carbs. Rule of thumb is to deduct Fibre content from Total Carbs to get the true Carb reading. Another guideline (for most) is Meal = 30 Carbs, Snack = 15 Carbs. Having 50 Carbs in one meal and 15 Carbs in the next meal do not balance out to an average. 50 Carbs would simply be too much, period.

I'm not a doctor or dietician, just a fellow diabetic with my own comments and results, so you can take the above with a grain of salt ... reminds me ... watch your salt because as a diabetic you do not want high blood pressure :)
 

Diakat

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How about we let the op get their blood test results before bombarding with advice and suggestions?