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annealex

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I was diagnosed with type 2 just over 6 months ago and was told to control by diet. My first HbA1c test was 50 after three months it was 40 and I was told that was good.
The nurse told me to aim for a blood sugar reading of 7 and I bought a meter as the Dr doesn't give one or strips. I must say I wondered how to find out about diet and sugar and understand it without using a meter???


My morning blood sugar is around 7.0 today was 7.3. I was told to be aware of spikes but I do not fully understand what is a spike in terms of a number. If I am 7.3 for example I eat then what is the safe level for my sugar to go to after a meal without it being a spike?
 
Hi @annealax. The NICE guidelines say that for T2 diabetics, the recommended level is 4-7 before meals, and under 8.5, at least 90 minutes after meal.
 
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

As a type 2 you should aim to be under 8.5mmol/L around two hours after a meal. The table in the above link says 'at least 90 minutes', if you can do this then great - but otherwise two hours is fine.

As for spikes, these can vary dramatically from person to person. My BGL can spike up to 15mmol/L immediately after a meal yet settle well within the 5-9mmol/L range 2 hours post meal as recommended for a type 1 diabetic. These spikes can be avoided however by controlling the carbohydrates you are eating. This includes the amount of carbs as well as type. Getting your hands on foods with a low GI (glycemic index) will certainly help you avoid and manage unnecessary BGL spikes.

Might be worth looking into :)

Grant
 
Hi, welcome to the forum. i am tagging @daisy1 so that you get the Welcome pack given out to Newbies. #This is a useful guide that should answer many of your questions.
 
@annealex

Hello and welcome to the forum :) As mentioned above, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will come along and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi @annealax. The NICE guidelines say that for T2 diabetics, the recommended level is 4-7 before meals, and under 8.5, at least 90 minutes after meal.
Thanks for that info how did you manage to lose the weight and was it the reduction in weight that helped the blood sugar.
I Understand then that my first blood sugar reading in the morning has to be 7 or under not 7.3.
Thanks
 
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

As a type 2 you should aim to be under 8.5mmol/L around two hours after a meal. The table in the above link says 'at least 90 minutes', if you can do this then great - but otherwise two hours is fine.

As for spikes, these can vary dramatically from person to person. My BGL can spike up to 15mmol/L immediately after a meal yet settle well within the 5-9mmol/L range 2 hours post meal as recommended for a type 1 diabetic. These spikes can be avoided however by controlling the carbohydrates you are eating. This includes the amount of carbs as well as type. Getting your hands on foods with a low GI (glycemic index) will certainly help you avoid and manage unnecessary BGL spikes.

Might be worth looking into :)

Grant
So I had lunch and it went up to 9 straight afterwards. Is this considered a spike then or is it in the normal range?
i.e. form 7.3 in morning to 9 immediately after eating.
 
So I had lunch and it went up to 9 straight afterwards. Is this considered a spike then or is it in the normal range?
i.e. form 7.3 in morning to 9 immediately after eating.

Hi. What is "straight afterwards"? and what is lunch? It's a spike but not a crazy one, and probably currently "normal" for you if your starting point is 7.3 before a breakfast with some carbs in it (eg. toast or cereal). We can get too wrapped up in what a spike is and what we need to be at etc. All the above advice is perfectly valid and good stuff. That said, there is little point aiming at certain numbers or reading into the levels unless you are doing so with an approach. Focus instead on diet (on reducing carbohydrate content and drinking a good amount of water or very diluted non-sugar juices)...watching the blood sugar levels drop will then make more sense for you and to you. The numbers are worth noting so you can see what is and isn't working for you. Personally, I recorded what I was eating and what my readings were before and 2.5 hours later (as these levels should be similar otherwise there's probably too many carbs in the grub)...and that soon let me know what I should and shouldn't eat. At first I tested with every meal..then only with new foods..... stopped recording things after a while and now only test maybe only 2 maybe 4 times every second or third day - just to make sure there's no surprises; there aren't. It's all about diet. You will probably find that all levels drop as a result of the right diet for you personally....so experiment and record. I would add that I stopped my every morning waking levels as it can be higher than you'd expect for all manner of small, perfectly normal reasons. Also - note that while I now manage pretty normal readings..I wills till get the odd 9 IF I eat cereal or something I probably shouldn't. Investigate LCHF diets. Good luck. ps. none of your levels are scary at all.
 
So I had lunch and it went up to 9 straight afterwards. Is this considered a spike then or is it in the normal range?
i.e. form 7.3 in morning to 9 immediately after eating.
Spikes vary from person to person so I can't really comment on what you'd consider as a spike. The main focus here should really be that reading two hours after eating.

If you're eating things that are loaded with sugar or refined carbohydrates, then it will be harder for your body to produce the insulin at a speed to match that of the food being turned into glucose and entering your bloodstream.

With diabetes it's pretty much impossible to keep your blood glucose level constantly in the normal range. It can be done but it means either making dramatic dietary changes or administering insulin at the absolute perfect time prior to eating.

Spikes are temporary things and although not great for the overall health of a diabetic - the goal is to have a BGL in the correct range for the majority of the time. And the majority is classed as those hours outwith meal times and the two hours following your meals

I hope this helps? Let us know if there's anything else you're unsure of.

Grant

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Hi. What is "straight afterwards"? and what is lunch? It's a spike but not a crazy one, and probably currently "normal" for you if your starting point is 7.3 before a breakfast with some carbs in it (eg. toast or cereal). We can get too wrapped up in what a spike is and what we need to be at etc. All the above advice is perfectly valid and good stuff. That said, there is little point aiming at certain numbers or reading into the levels unless you are doing so with an approach. Focus instead on diet (on reducing carbohydrate content and drinking a good amount of water or very diluted non-sugar juices)...watching the blood sugar levels drop will then make more sense for you and to you. The numbers are worth noting so you can see what is and isn't working for you. Personally, I recorded what I was eating and what my readings were before and 2.5 hours later (as these levels should be similar otherwise there's probably too many carbs in the grub)...and that soon let me know what I should and shouldn't eat. At first I tested with every meal..then only with new foods..... stopped recording things after a while and now only test maybe only 2 maybe 4 times every second or third day - just to make sure there's no surprises; there aren't. It's all about diet. You will probably find that all levels drop as a result of the right diet for you personally....so experiment and record. I would add that I stopped my every morning waking levels as it can be higher than you'd expect for all manner of small, perfectly normal reasons. Also - note that while I now manage pretty normal readings..I wills till get the odd 9 IF I eat cereal or something I probably shouldn't. Investigate LCHF diets. Good luck. ps. none of your levels are scary at all.
Never seen your reply there. If I had done, I wouldn't have bothered writing mine:)
 
You need a more structured approach. At the moment you are being a bit haphazard and your readings aren't meaning much to us.

Try this:
Test immediately before each meal.
Test 2 hours after your first bite.
Write down what you ate and drank including portion sizes
Record your levels alongside the food eaten.

Look at the difference between your before and after meal levels. For someone with an HbA1c of 40 with no medication you should be well on the way back to where you started, and hopefully no more than 1.5mmol/l higher) Much higher than that and there are too many carbs in that meal, so either eliminate some or cut down on the portion size and try the meal again.

Keep posting your levels but tell us what you were before and 2 hours after, and what you ate.
 
Thanks for that info how did you manage to lose the weight and was it the reduction in weight that helped the blood sugar.
I Understand then that my first blood sugar reading in the morning has to be 7 or under not 7.3.
Thanks
Hi @annealex. I adopted a pretty Spartan eating regime after first being diagnosed. The shock of being told I was diabetic spurred me on. I generally only ate one meal a day, in the evening. And that was usually quite small, a sandwich, or a LIDL roll with pate, something like that. I avoided starchy carbs almost entirely, though I would occasionally have some pasta, rice or potatoes, but in much smaller portions than previously. I drank a lot of water, 4-5 pints a day to fill up and feel less hungry. I gave up alcohol almost completely, I used to drink a lot of beer, but now when I drink alcohol it is usually red wine.
I did feel hungry, but got used to eating less after a couple of weeks. I didn't eat any sugar, using sweeteners instead.
I lost up to one and a half pounds a week, until Easter when I started eating breakfast again. My weight went down to around 9st 7-8lbs. It has gone up a bit since then to around 9st 12lbs-10st 1lb.

I think that my weight loss did help with the bs reduction. Most of my fat was around my middle, which would affect the liver and pancreas. Most of it has gone. My waist measurement reduced by about 4", but I could do with losing another half inch. We should aim for a waist measurement no more than half our height.

Your bs reading first thing in the morning might be a bit higher due to 'Dawn Phenomenon' or 'liver dump'. Your liver dumps stored glucose into your blood stream as you wake to give you an energy boost to get going. It is normal and non-diabetics get it too.
 
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Hi. What is "straight afterwards"? and what is lunch? It's a spike but not a crazy one, and probably currently "normal" for you if your starting point is 7.3 before a breakfast with some carbs in it (eg. toast or cereal). We can get too wrapped up in what a spike is and what we need to be at etc. All the above advice is perfectly valid and good stuff. That said, there is little point aiming at certain numbers or reading into the levels unless you are doing so with an approach. Focus instead on diet (on reducing carbohydrate content and drinking a good amount of water or very diluted non-sugar juices)...watching the blood sugar levels drop will then make more sense for you and to you. The numbers are worth noting so you can see what is and isn't working for you. Personally, I recorded what I was eating and what my readings were before and 2.5 hours later (as these levels should be similar otherwise there's probably too many carbs in the grub)...and that soon let me know what I should and shouldn't eat. At first I tested with every meal..then only with new foods..... stopped recording things after a while and now only test maybe only 2 maybe 4 times every second or third day - just to make sure there's no surprises; there aren't. It's all about diet. You will probably find that all levels drop as a result of the right diet for you personally....so experiment and record. I would add that I stopped my every morning waking levels as it can be higher than you'd expect for all manner of small, perfectly normal reasons. Also - note that while I now manage pretty normal readings..I wills till get the odd 9 IF I eat cereal or something I probably shouldn't. Investigate LCHF diets. Good luck. ps. none of your levels are scary at all.
oh thanks for that. I do not eat cereal and very rarely pasta, rice or potatoes. I have investigated LCHF diets thank you. It seems a lot like Atkins. Im relieved that you say the readings are not scary because I was scared.
 
oh thanks for that. I do not eat cereal and very rarely pasta, rice or potatoes. I have investigated LCHF diets thank you. It seems a lot like Atkins. Im relieved that you say the readings are not scary because I was scared.

Glad it helped. Don't be so focused on this idea of your morning reading having to be 7.0 or less...good if it is, but there is thing called liver dump you should check out whereby the liver is preparing us for the day ahead by hitting us with glucose/energy as it is entirely oblivious to the fact we are diabetic. Other things can raise it to. You will not have your toes fall off from highish morning levels unless they are regularly wild. Avoiding spikes by eating the right foods (low carbs are those foods with 10g or less carbohydrate per 100g) and avoiding dehydration, will help bring all the levels down...and make everything less worrying.
 
Hi @annealex, and welcome to the forum.

It can all be very scary at the start, so we try to take on board everything at once, and end up with a bit of brain overload. If you can take some time to absorb the pointers that folks have given you here, and of course the very comprehensive advice that daisy1 has covered, you'll soon find your feet and be bowling along nicely. Good luck
 
Emmm... I was exaggerating about the toes falling off! No offence intended...
 
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