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lorraine64

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Hi I'm type 2 and I take 3 metformin tablets a day .Each morning my bloods read about 7 or 8 even though i have only had water and nothing to eat from around 18.30 day before .l am trying to figure out best foods for me .For breakfast I ate porridge with water and little milk start reading was 7.6 after 2 hours 10.2 .......next day 2 weetabix with water and little milk start reading was 8 and after 2 hours was 12.6 .Do this mean they spike me and best not eating them .Do struggle as I have high cholesterol so can't eat many eggs or too much fatty food as my recent blood test showed very high cholesterol so im now on statins ...guess its a balancing game .Would love advice .
 
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Weetabix explains all that in terms of your rise. And don't make the mistake of thinking fatty foods are not good as many here would suggest otherwise
 
Hi I'm type 2 and I take 3 metformin tablets a day .Each morning my bloods read about 7 or 8 even though i have only had water and nothing to eat from around 18.30 day before .l am trying to figure out best foods for me .For breakfast I ate porridge with water and little milk start reading was 7.6 after 2 hours 10.2 .......next day 2 weetabix with water and little milk start reading was 8 and after 2 hours was 12.6 .Do this mean they spike me and best not eating them .Do struggle as I have high cholesterol so can't eat many eggs or too much fatty food x Would love advice .
Too many carbs for me in Weetabix or porridge. Have a look at the nutritional guidelines label.
 
Eggs are the perfect food imo. Full of protein and 'good' cholesterol and very low in carbohydrates. It is the carbohydrates in such things as porridge and weetabix that that are raising your blood glucose levels. All breakfast cereals will do this except for the very low carb/keto recipes that some people can tolerate.

Carbohydrates, and sugar is the big baddie in carbs, turn to glucose in the body so limiting these will see a fall in blood glucose levels. Try lowering the amounts of breads, pasta, rice and potatoes in your diet and do not be afraid of healthy levels of natural fats in your diet, these can be olive oil, avocadoes, lard, butter, cheese etc. The unhealthy fats which include vegetable oils (cooking oils) and especially trans fats should be avoided wherever possible.

Tagging @daisy1 for you for the fantastic starter info pack.

Welcome to the forum, have a wander around and ask as many questions as you like.
 
Hi I'm type 2 and I take 3 metformin tablets a day .Each morning my bloods read about 7 or 8 even though i have only had water and nothing to eat from around 18.30 day before .l am trying to figure out best foods for me .For breakfast I ate porridge with water and little milk start reading was 7.6 after 2 hours 10.2 .......next day 2 weetabix with water and little milk start reading was 8 and after 2 hours was 12.6 .Do this mean they spike me and best not eating them .Do struggle as I have high cholesterol so can't eat many eggs or too much fatty food as my recent blood test showed very high cholesterol so im now on statins ...guess its a balancing game .Would love advice .

Hi and welcome,

Because your waking bloods are high, which is probably the liver dump most of us suffer from (Dawn Phenomenon), it is not a good idea to increase those already high levels by eating carbs for breakfast. All carbs turn to sugar once eaten, and the more carbohydrate in the food, the higher your levels will go.

Breakfast cereals and porridge are very, very difficult for us and initially need to be avoided. Eggs are an excellent choice. Whoever told you eggs are bad for cholesterol levels? That was thought to be the case years ago, but has been well and truly debunked. The same goes for any cholesterol-containing foods. Our livers make about 85% of our cholesterol irrespective of whether we eat eggs or not. An eggy breakfast is good for you, cooked any which way, an omelette with cheese or mushrooms, with bacon and maybe a tomato and some mushrooms. Just a plain boiled egg will do.

How high is your cholesterol, and what is the breakdown (HDL/LDL/Triglycerides) What was it before you started cholesterol medication?

You have learnt a lesson from your meter, and that is exactly why we have them - you now know what porridge and weetabix do to your levels! Well done. :)
 
Foods rich in cholesterol do not "top up" our own cholesterol levels, so tuck into eggs, liver, etc. if you want.

On LCHF I rarely eat breakfast, unless I wake up hungry. I bake a load of eggy muffins (veg, cheese, ham, bacon, onion in muffin trays and topped up with beaten egg; bake at 180C for 15 minutes until firm) which keep well in an airtight container in the fridge. I haven't tried freezing them but I don't see why it wouldn't work. One muffin will keep me going until lunch.
 
@lorraine64 Welcome to the Forum. You've come to a good place. As others have mentioned before me, carbs are not a great way to start the day for a T2, have a look round the food sections as see if anything appeals. Your cholesterol levels are little influenced by the fats you eat, your body makes most of them.

I wish you well and hope you'll keep us updated on your progress and any thoughts you may have about the responses to your first post.
 
@lorraine64

Hello Lorraine64 and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Hi I'm type 2 and I take 3 metformin tablets a day .Each morning my bloods read about 7 or 8 even though i have only had water and nothing to eat from around 18.30 day before .l am trying to figure out best foods for me .For breakfast I ate porridge with water and little milk start reading was 7.6 after 2 hours 10.2 .......next day 2 weetabix with water and little milk start reading was 8 and after 2 hours was 12.6 .Do this mean they spike me and best not eating them .Do struggle as I have high cholesterol so can't eat many eggs or too much fatty food as my recent blood test showed very high cholesterol so im now on statins ...guess its a balancing game .Would love advice .
Hi. Avoid the carby breakfast cereals. Eggs and bacon etc are fine. The cholesterol in eggs has no effect on blood cholesterol which is produced by the liver. Fats are fine despite endless media comment to the contrary. The research saying sat fats cause artery clogging is highly suspect.; Google the web and see what you find. Bear in mind that you should not be guided by your cholesterol Total figure when deciding to take statins but instead use the lipids breakdown ratios and a fasting blood test is best to give reliable lipids numbers to find out your ratios.
 
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