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Grant1969

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Location
Scottish borders
Type of diabetes
Type 3c
Treatment type
Insulin
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Diabetes and my personal inabilities.
I'd been advised/told to test twice a day at random times, once in the morning and again afternoon or evening, the readings have dropped dramatically and I thought that that was it, almost, from 19's and 20 odds down to 6's and 5's, so happy with the miracle worker at the hospital, take 2 pills a day and waddle around a bit, feeling reassured and lucky I guess. Today I decided to try the pre/post meal type test, pre breakfast it was 6.6, maybe a wee bit high for a non diabetic but low enough to make me grin, 2 hours after a slice of toast with a slice of bacon and an egg it was reading 18.7. Now, do I continue to fool myself and keep the doc happy or do I reveal my true feelings about being taken for a flump?, methinks I'm testing pre/post meals and trying for the truth, that sounds wrong but I aint happy and feel like I've been fooled, again.
A bad day for this waddler.
 
At least you were advised to test and your readings have dropped. View it more as a process of refinement. Now you will be testing before and after meals to find which foods specifically are raising your readings. I strongly suspect that the toast with the bacon and egg was mainly to blame for the rise over breakfast. If you read the back of the pack that the bacon came in yu may also find that sugar was added in the curing process. Cut out the grain products and most of the below round veg and you will get the best revenge - control of you bg and a new way of life that gives you more energy than you had before.
 
I don't understand why you were told to test randomly. The morning test if it is fasting is useful, but a random afternoon or evening test isn't going to tell you much of use.
My afternoon/evening readings are generally between 4.9 - 5.6. That would indicate I'm non-diabetic. But the more important reading is two hours after eating which is usually between 7.0 - 9.0.
 
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Grant1969 said:
I'd been advised/told to test twice a day at random times, once in the morning and again afternoon or evening, the readings have dropped dramatically and I thought that that was it, almost, from 19's and 20 odds down to 6's and 5's, so happy with the miracle worker at the hospital, take 2 pills a day and waddle around a bit, feeling reassured and lucky I guess. Today I decided to try the pre/post meal type test, pre breakfast it was 6.6, maybe a wee bit high for a non diabetic but low enough to make me grin, 2 hours after a slice of toast with a slice of bacon and an egg it was reading 18.7. Now, do I continue to fool myself and keep the doc happy or do I reveal my true feelings about being taken for a flump?, methinks I'm testing pre/post meals and trying for the truth, that sounds wrong but I aint happy and feel like I've been fooled, again.
A bad day for this waddler.
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Did you retest to check it wasn't an error? A rise of 12.1 after one slice of toast seems excessive for anyone.
 
I'd been advised/told to test twice a day at random times, once in the morning and again afternoon or evening, the readings have dropped dramatically and I thought that that was it, almost, from 19's and 20 odds down to 6's and 5's, so happy with the miracle worker at the hospital, take 2 pills a day and waddle around a bit, feeling reassured and lucky I guess. Today I decided to try the pre/post meal type test, pre breakfast it was 6.6, maybe a wee bit high for a non diabetic but low enough to make me grin, 2 hours after a slice of toast with a slice of bacon and an egg it was reading 18.7. Now, do I continue to fool myself and keep the doc happy or do I reveal my true feelings about being taken for a flump?, methinks I'm testing pre/post meals and trying for the truth, that sounds wrong but I aint happy and feel like I've been fooled, again.
A bad day for this waddler.
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I don't think you are a fool and you know that pills won't keep those post toast blood sugar surges. The diabetes team have given you tools to test which is great but they are not managing your expectations correctly; if you continue to eat the same way and take tablets, you will need more and more pills to push the sugar you are eating out of your blood and into fat cells (if you don't move more) or other places in your body where it will do harm. So bearing that in mind I'd be asking yourself if you'd like to 'waddle' down that road or try eating less of the food that you don't tolerate well (food that turn to sugar) and more of the foods that you do love that love you back!
 
Hi,
Watching the "GPs behind closed doors" TV program. When they were asking people to test, they recommended: Before each meal and before bed.
Testing 2 hours after a meal may give more information, but there is a possibility to forget.
Before each meal...probably catches the majority of highs. And before bed...means you know if you are going to bed with high BG.
Random....is nonsense ( IMO)
 
Firstly, thank you everyone for the support, I took myself an angry waddle and retested, it was reading 4.2, I think I need to get a GRIP and stop expecting miracles. I have pancreatitis and find it difficult to eat most of the time, I waddle around feeling like I've swallowed a pillow and it's sitting in my stomach getting larger and the advice from the doc was to eat more and add butter and cream and cheese to things because I'm still 2 stone or so underweight. Sorry for my wee outburst it really isn't like me at all, just sometimes I feel so angry about nothing and I wanna burst so I take myself out and waddle for Scotland, hehe.
Thanks again everyone, without this site I would probably be lost somewhere waddling around dazed and confused.
Increase the peace my lovelies.
 
Canvaspic said:
Before each meal...probably catches the majority of highs
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Surely not! It is normal for bg to rise after eating. Testing then will indicate if too much carbohydrate, too much protein, or even too much food has been eaten. Yes, we can all forget from time to time, but that is about as good an argument for not testing as when the GP told me testing would make my fingers sore!
 
Grant1969 said:
I have pancreatitis and find it difficult to eat most of the time, I waddle around feeling like I've swallowed a pillow and it's sitting in my stomach getting larger and the advice from the doc was to eat more and add butter and cream and cheese to things because I'm still 2 stone or so underweight.
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Sorry to read this! I empathise, as I am another underweight person trying to keep my weight at least stable while avoiding too many carbs. I don't as far as I know suffer from pancreatitis, but when I first found out about my raised bgs I felt just as you describe after eating. However, soon after adopting a low carb diet most of those symptoms just went away. I was left with delayed stomach emptying, which is a common diabetic complication due to damage to the vagus nerve. This means that I may see no rise, or even a fall in bg at one hour or even 2 after eating, but then the rise finally happens at 3 or 4 hours. So I tend to use up a lot of strips trying to catch the peak of my bg rise.

As your doctor suggests, I do add lots of grated Cheddar to just about everything, am exploring Morrissons range of gourmet cheeses, enjoy double cream in my hot drinks instead of skimmed milk and buy 5% Greek yoghurt instead of fat free. Oh, and chicken breast is out, chicken legs (much cheaper) are in, and no question of throwing away the skin. It's all delicious, my weight does seem to have stabilised on this regime, and these previously forbidden foods do compensate somewhat for the now forbidden carbs!
 
Canvaspic said:
Before each meal...probably catches the majority of highs.
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Really? I am rarely above 5.3 before any meal, mostly in the 4's before lunch and tea. Then my levels rise according to what I have eaten. Somewhere between an hour and 2 hours after first bite are my peaks.

@Canvaspic
Testing randomly is a waste of strips and you learn nothing from it. Keep trying, but more importantly, keep testing in an organised, methodical way so you can learn from what your meter tells you.
 
I think I need to do my homework on what to eat again, something that increases my weight but not my bg but the additional problem of cooking making me swampy and loose any appetite, I have no sense of smell thanks to a motorbike accident and you can guess what that's done to my sense of taste so most foods and flavours are missed making eating purely a chore that I have to do to keep waddling but I'm beginning to grumble again when I need to remember it could be oh so much worse...
 
Basically, you can eat meat and fish without any coating, bacon, high meat content sausages, eggs by the lorry load, all dairy, avocado, olives, nuts, seeds, leafy green vegetables, salads, tomatoes, mushrooms. Use butter on your veggies, and use animal fats to fry or roast. Avoid processed cooking oils (these will be used in ready meals and in take-away places), cut right down on fruit, bread, rice, pasta, cereals, porridge, potatoes. Use your meter to guide you in your choices and portion sizes. Have another look at the list on diet doctor - https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/foods#foodlist
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Basically, you can eat meat and fish without any coating, bacon, high meat content sausages, eggs by the lorry load, all dairy, avocado, olives, nuts, seeds, leafy green vegetables, salads, tomatoes, mushrooms. Use butter on your veggies, and use animal fats to fry or roast. Avoid processed cooking oils (these will be used in ready meals and in take-away places), cut right down on fruit, bread, rice, pasta, cereals, porridge, potatoes. Use your meter to guide you in your choices and portion sizes. Have another look at the list on diet doctor - https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/foods#foodlist
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Thanks, you are indeed, a guru.
 
Grant1969 said:
A bad day for this waddler.
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Maybe not, you now know that your BG can go quite high after a meal with only a slice of toast as a source of carbohydrate. Eggs and bacon might affect your BG but not by the amount you have recorded and probably not so bad if you are eating carbs anyway (I eat , 50gms carb a day, zero at breakfast, and even eggs will cause a rise in BG).
 
Grant1969 said:
I think I need to do my homework on what to eat again, something that increases my weight but not my bg but the additional problem of cooking making me swampy and loose any appetite, I have no sense of smell thanks to a motorbike accident and you can guess what that's done to my sense of taste so most foods and flavours are missed making eating purely a chore that I have to do to keep waddling but I'm beginning to grumble again when I need to remember it could be oh so much worse...
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More empathy from me, though I haven't lost my sense of smell. I do resent time spent cooking, let alone washing up! If I have understood correctly, without smell you can still distinguish (enjoy?) sweet, salt and sour. Since most cheese is salty AND needs no cooking I suggest you explore the many varieties. I was recently told by a friend that blue cheese is beneficial due to the mould and its good effect on the gut biome. Since the gut biome may be implicated in the development of diabetes, I am keen to follow this up and have already discovered several blue cheeses I like, one I love, as well as one I hate (sadly, the cheapest, Morrisons Essentials blue cheese). Another standby of mine which might work for you is sauerkraut. Finally, does rhubarb count as sour? I have just put together a seriously nice cold dessert of Slim rice, 5% Fage Greek yoghurt, a small portion of rhubarb stewed without sugar and plenty of double cream.


PS Although the rhubarb does have to be cooked the process is very quick and simple. Slim rice (0 carbs) does not need to be cooked, just well rinsed to get rid of the fluid in which it is packed.
 
Alexandra100 said:
Are you related in any way to John (the Penguin) Bingham? Whose slogan was, "Waddle on, friends!"
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fraid not no, no relation other than a fellow waddler, woop woop!, vive le waddle, hehe, and yeah rhubarb, it grows in my garden just next to my apple trees and I do looooove rhubarb crumble, hmmmm can it be that I don't have to leave my crumble behind...please let it be so, hehe.
On a lighter note, my granddaughter has been today so all is well in the world, the medicinal property of babies and little people should never be underestimated.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Really? I am rarely above 5.3 before any meal, mostly in the 4's before lunch and tea. Then my levels rise according to what I have eaten. Somewhere between an hour and 2 hours after first bite are my peaks.

@Canvaspic
Testing randomly is a waste of strips and you learn nothing from it. Keep trying, but more importantly, keep testing in an organised, methodical way so you can learn from what your meter tells you.
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Yes, that was a poorly worded post on my behalf. I guess.... I was trying to bring up the fact that there are a few different ways to test.
I agree, 2 hours after a meal ...is the best.
Personally, I test in the morning, before and after lunch. and last thing at night. I dont think I miss much by that. my numbers...tend to go up....and stay up.
 
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