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bakedalaska

bakedalaska

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Type of diabetes
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Diet only
today i woke with a fasting bg of 110 which increased to 126 after a protein breakfast and 60 mins hard exercise. it remained in the 100 - 130 region all day,. I then felt so ****** off that Wales lost i went out and enjoyed a heart - if low carb supper and 3 pints of beer. Came back and tested to get 85!!! I conclude this whole thing is ********. I will live the way i want to and if complications occur I will choose to take my life. I was diagnosed - maybe wrongly - perhaps I have pancreatic cancer - two months ago and lost 13KG that by gruelling dieting and no alcohol (which I love - not a US citizen) i will now enjoy putting back on. Anyone agree? The whole thing is bull?
 
Is this the beer talking?

Maybe you should have a read of the effect of alcohol on blood glucose.

See you in the morning. :)
 
Sounds like a typical case of denial to me. And yes, alcohol affects BG by making sure your liver is preoccupied removing toxins, which means it's not handling glucose efficiently.
 
Hi @bakedalaska - your profile says your a type 2 but if you have pancreatic illness (whether cancer or not) your diabetes may be type 3c. That would explain the biazzare blood sugars. Im a type 3c so if you want to chat more tomorrow, just tag me in. Sue x
 
Thanks to all of you who replied. This site is very
humbling - the care people take over others. Wish I could help more and be less needy.
No it was not the beer talking. I really don't see much point at my age in prolonging things in a miserable way. I know that sounds overly dramatic to some. But there is a reality to it; not wishing to go on becoming increasingly senile and infirm and becoming a burden to others. Robin Williams made that food decision younger than me. I am not a religious person.

All that said, there IS good reason to go on working as long as possible to support other family members. I have eight children (3 'adopted') with four wives, three of whom are not really able to bring enough home to look after three of the kids. This is definitely a good reason for struggling on.

Ironically, I now live on my own in a very inhospitable place - Lagos - but it is where I could find work (I am 65)
It is lonely and I am unhappy, but if I remember why I am doing it - it makes me feel better.

I am willing to continue alcohol if it helps sort the liver's ridiculous dumping of glycogen, but it gives me nasty hangovers, and there may be other reasons why this is a bad idea. BTW my liver function on Dx was fine.

I have tried all the advice given on here and elsewhere to stop the liver dumping - late night protein snacks etc.
Nothing works. I have kept very close records of my diet, exercise (and when I used it Glucophage) since diagnosis. I am ow CONVINCED it is nothing to do with Insulun production but all about liver dumping. Does anyone have any medical ideas as to how to stop the liver doing this other than alcohol!??

Sue - never heard of Type 3. I will research it. Here is my profile - not as professional as some of you vets, I'm afraid

4/8/15 Dxd 4 Aug with FBG 8 PPBG + 2hrs 12
Put on Diet + exercise + 2x 500 Glucophage
6/9/15 Average BG over first post dx month 5.4
Dropped medication/increased diet - No Carb - - in alcohol
Morning BG always high
20/9/15 reached target weight and reintroduced alcohol
BG is now all over the place ranging from 4.9 after vigorous swimming to random high 7s - seemingly nothing to do with what is eaten.
This morning Fasting BG 5.7 - lowest in weeks but after whole bottle of dry white wine and three pints of beer last night 12 units (6 x recommended?)
 
What worked for me to finally control liver dumps was introducing intermittent fasting. For the first 3 years after diagnosis, I had high fasting BG and nothing I did changed it. After I introduced eating in a compressed 8 hour window, leaving a long time overnight for many liver dumps, it finally seems to have stopped the process from happening. Even when I do get liver dumps if I go more than 5 hours without eating during the day, it doesn't seem to take me to the previous highs I used to get, so I'm operating within a much tighter range of BG than previously.
 
bakedalaska said:
I really don't see much point at my age in prolonging things in a miserable way. I know that sounds overly dramatic to some. But there is a reality to it; not wishing to go on becoming increasingly senile and infirm and becoming a burden to others.
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I do. You'll be fine. Lean on us and we'll get you through. You come across as a fine guy. I trust what I read and I believe you're a good person. We're all needy for any number of reasons and this joint is a great place to vent, let it all out and find people who'll drag you out of that hole. Stay with us mate :)

Mike
 
mrspuddleduck said:
Hi @bakedalaska - your profile says your a type 2 but if you have pancreatic illness (whether cancer or not) your diabetes may be type 3c. That would explain the biazzare blood sugars. Im a type 3c so if you want to chat more tomorrow, just tag me in. Sue x
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Hi I had pancreatitis back in 2008 with pseudocysts which caused some narcrosis of my pancreas which subsequently had to be removed, then I had a recurrence in 2011 followed by diabetes in 2012. I'm otherwise fit and not overweight so would that make me a type 3c as my diabetes nurse and doctors tell me I'm a type 2???
 
Morning!

Don't worry. We all get down and miserable at times.

With alcohol, it is important to remember that the liver struggles to deal with alcohol and glucose at the same time. So what appears to happen is that your bg stays nice and low, liver dumps are less likely, and it seems like a good thing.

What is actually happening is that your liver is under pressure, working hard, and having to prioritise its stresses. Alcohol is the bigger, nastier toxin, so that gets shoved to the front of the queue. Dealing with the glucose will still happen, it will just be slower and later.

I'm not suggesting that teetotalism is the answer, but just bear in mind that the more booze and/or carb you ingest, the more strain you are putting on organs that are already showing signs of strain...

Lots of people who post on here enjoy a glass of wine, or low carb alcohol regularly. But the benefit does not come from large quantities.

Hope that helps.
 
bakedalaska said:
today i woke with a fasting bg of 110 which increased to 126 after a protein breakfast and 60 mins hard exercise. it remained in the 100 - 130 region all day,. I then felt so ****** off that Wales lost i went out and enjoyed a heart - if low carb supper and 3 pints of beer. Came back and tested to get 85!!! I conclude this whole thing is ********. I will live the way i want to and if complications occur I will choose to take my life. I was diagnosed - maybe wrongly - perhaps I have pancreatic cancer - two months ago and lost 13KG that by gruelling dieting and no alcohol (which I love - not a US citizen) i will now enjoy putting back on. Anyone agree? The whole thing is bull?
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This may be different if you are Type 1, as I am, but 100-130mg/dl is within the normal range. In UK money that's 5.6 - 7.2. I don't really see what all the drama is about. Maybe your doctor would like to see lower blood sugars, but those are definitely normal blood sugars. Not one of the readings you give there is outside the normal range. Also, hard exercise is known to raise your blood sugar, not drop it, in diabetics and in non-diabetics, so again, what exactly seems to be the problem.

You've got a lot on your plate, but checking out over your normal blood sugars would be, well, a bit silly.:(
 
Mackempaul_ said:
Hi I had pancreatitis back in 2008 with pseudocysts which caused some narcrosis of my pancreas which subsequently had to be removed, then I had a recurrence in 2011 followed by diabetes in 2012. I'm otherwise fit and not overweight so would that make me a type 3c as my diabetes nurse and doctors tell me I'm a type 2???
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Hi, firstly I have to say I'm not a doctor!!!! If you have had ALL your pancreas removed then I would have thought that you couldn't be a type 2 but would logically be a type 3c. But it you have only had part of your pancreas removed you could be a type 2. It would depend upon the damage and the functioning of the remaining organ. There are several type 2s here that have had Pancreatic disease or pancreatitis.. Sue x
 
mrspuddleduck said:
Hi, firstly I have to say I'm not a doctor!!!! If you have had ALL your pancreas removed then I would have thought that you couldn't be a type 2 but would logically be a type 3c. But it you have only had part of your pancreas removed you could be a type 2. It would depend upon the damage and the functioning of the remaining organ. There are several type 2s here that have had Pancreatic disease or pancreatitis.. Sue x
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Hi Sue
Thanks for your help. I had around 40% of my pancreas removed but have chronic pancreatitis which is obviously progressing hence the diabetes. It's so confusing.
Thanks again, Paul x
 
Not sure how these threads work (seem to have lost the original issue and can't start a new one), but I'm exploring the use of alcohol. I am finding that moderate to heavy alcohol intake keeps BG nice and low. Obviously you need to regulate things to avoid hangover and/or depression. Drink responsibly and don't drive or meddle with others if you become unpleasant. But I am finding a bottle of wine and a couple of beers or 1.5 bottles of dry wine in the evening do wonders for the blood sugar and a bit of relief from the punishments of the diabetic diet. I am combining it with a strict exercise regime and NO other carbs. It seems to be working quite well...I can eat a reasonably heart (no carb) meal and have BGs between 85 - 115.

Am not on any meds. 15 mins exercise daily and three x 1 hour swims per week. Swimming like alcohol plummets the BG. Feedback welcome!



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As someone else had already said......Alcohol stops the liver from dumping out glucose because it deals with the alcohol first. I have a fatty liver so there's no way I would want my liver to function even less well. Your method may well be keeping your BG's down artificially but I fear that may not be a good thing. Your liver count may suffer in the future.

I would always advise letting each organ do what they are meant to do. I don't see liver dump as a problem, I see it as a sign that my liver is working well.

Also I'm not sure I would call my own diet (LCHF) punishing. Maybe you could change yours a bit to suit you better?
 
bakedalaska said:
Not sure how these threads work (seem to have lost the original issue and can't start a new one), but I'm exploring the use of alcohol. I am finding that moderate to heavy alcohol intake keeps BG nice and low. Obviously you need to regulate things to avoid hangover and/or depression. Drink responsibly and don't drive or meddle with others if you become unpleasant. But I am finding a bottle of wine and a couple of beers or 1.5 bottles of dry wine in the evening do wonders for the blood sugar and a bit of relief from the punishments of the diabetic diet. I am combining it with a strict exercise regime and NO other carbs. It seems to be working quite well...I can eat a reasonably heart (no carb) meal and have BGs between 85 - 115.

Am not on any meds. 15 mins exercise daily and three x 1 hour swims per week. Swimming like alcohol plummets the BG. Feedback welcome!



Edited to remove poster's advice about alcohol.
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My feedback is that when you say "am not on any meds", this isn't correct, because you are using alcohol like a medication. As far as I can tell, this is neither necessary or helpful.
 
bakedalaska said:
Not sure how these threads work (seem to have lost the original issue and can't start a new one), but I'm exploring the use of alcohol. I am finding that moderate to heavy alcohol intake keeps BG nice and low. Obviously you need to regulate things to avoid hangover and/or depression. Drink responsibly and don't drive or meddle with others if you become unpleasant. But I am finding a bottle of wine and a couple of beers or 1.5 bottles of dry wine in the evening do wonders for the blood sugar and a bit of relief from the punishments of the diabetic diet. I am combining it with a strict exercise regime and NO other carbs. It seems to be working quite well...I can eat a reasonably heart (no carb) meal and have BGs between 85 - 115.

Am not on any meds. 15 mins exercise daily and three x 1 hour swims per week. Swimming like alcohol plummets the BG. Feedback welcome!



Edited to remove poster's advice about alcohol.
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My only comment would be that the upside of finger prick testing is it gives us an invaluable insight into how our bloods are behaving on a moment by moment basis, but it is a one-frame snapshot of the situation, rather than the full feature length video going on in the background.

My understanding is that alcohol doesn't necessarily stop the blood glucose rise, but, it can delay it, whilst the liver firstly metabolises the alcohol before getting around to the foodstuffs. By testing in exactly the same way when drinking/abstaining, you are likely to be capturing the same chronological point in your blood glucose bell curve, but it is a wholly different point in the metabolic curve.

Whilst I have no wish to rain on your BBQ, it could be a worthwhile investment to do a couple of rounds of more intensive testing when you have a bottle of vino, or whatever. In your shoes, I would test every 20-30 minutes for 3 or perhaps 4 hours around the consumption and just graph how the numbers go.

I realise it's not available right now to new customers, but the Abbott Freestyle Libre continuous sensors give a fascinting insight for those of us who are data monsters.

Good luck with it all. Whatever you decide to do, I hope you find a balance that works for you, in terms of both health and quality of life.
 
Research has shown that acute consumption increases insulin secretion, causing low blood sugar (hypoglycemia), and can also impair the hormonal response that would normally rectify the low blood sugar. Drinking as little as 2 ounces of alcohol on an empty stomach can lead to very low blood sugar levels.

From the web.

Sounds good to me
 
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