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Bumped Into An Age Mate Who Ate A Whole Pizza For Lunch But Still Thinks I Overeat. Er... No.

ickihun

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A penny dropped the other day when I bumped into an age mate friend who was sitting in a nearby seat in a pub and ate a whole pizza to herself, alongside her daughter too. Both not overweight.

I simply don't eat enough.... obviously!!! Ha ha

OK. I know they aren't carb intolerate, unlike me.
It can sometimes cut like a knife.

Why do I have to be different to my friends and even sisters and mum?
Is it genes? Really?
OK I accept I have the intelligence genes, well in comparison only. Ha ha

I'd rather be less intelligent than constantly needing more and more medical intervention.

I have so much riding on this bariatric surgery.
Consultant is hoping for me being on a basal insulin only with metformin but metformin isn't compatable with IBS, I've discovered recently.
Consultation in a few weeks as to what if anything can be done.
I cannot tolerate current diabetic meds other than insulin. Which can make weight loss difficult.
A catch 22.

I might try and dream tonight to be less carb intolerant. Dream of cakes I can tolerate and/or afford to make on a regular basis. (almond flour and other low carb ingredients).
What a dream.
 
Hi @ickihun you certainly are an n=1. In your position I would consider an elimination protocol. If you haven't already done so, you might want to read some accounts on these two resources:

https://meatheals.com/
https://zerocarbzen.com/testimonials/

This method is a potential consideration as it appears to resolve / mitigate multiple issues; my research has been on much more than these 2 sites and on some days I do around 90 -95% carnivore.
 
I really do think it has to do with inate individual metabolism and yes, I think a lot of us are carb intolerant.

I've struggled with weight most of my adult life (my first major weight loss effort was before my wedding at age 29, I'm now 62). My sister never had to worry about weight until after she had children. My mom (who's 90 now) recently told me that as teenagers, my sister ate more than I did and far more junk food and she never put on weight whereas I did. I've lost major amounts of weight 4 times in my life, each time required a lot of effort. (Although my previous attempts were following a low fat diet, I find eating low carb I'm not hungry all the time the way I was on low fat and I also have more energy.)

I think some people are lucky, others are not. My dad has never had a weight issue, he's always been able to eat anything (dessert at least 4 times a day - Scottish heritage) whereas his brother who never indulged the way he did has struggled all of his life. (Since his late 80s, - he's 92 now - my dad has cut back on desserts to get rid of the slight extra weight he put on.) I told my dad if l could lose weight merely by cutting out desserts, I would never have had a weight problem. I don't think people like him understand how difficult it is for some of us.

BTW, my mom and my daughter both have IBS, I know how tough it is.
 
I wish i could make you feel better @ickihun . It must be really hard coping with multiple health issues. You said thyroid low i believe somewhere and that makes it hard to lose weight. IBS i don't know a lot about, but one of sisters have that and struggles daily with her weight. Some people can just eat anything and everything and never get anything wrong with them So unfair and not wishing anything bad to happen to them at all. Others do everything right and have problems. Hoping you have this surgery soon and the problems get sorted out..... This little part you said.."Why do I have to be different to my friends and even sisters and mum?"
...Different maybe you can call it special.
 
ickihun said:
Why do I have to be different to my friends and even sisters and mum?
Is it genes? Really?
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Weight issues can have many causes.

There is something called the Obesity Gene. You might like to Google for more information.

As for being different to close relatives there has been some interesting research done with twins, where one twin is much heavier than the other. The cause was identified as the variety of gut bacteria. Basically the greater the variety you have, the better. The twin with greater gut bacteria variety were the lighter.

I've been taking a probiotic for ages and about two weeks ago ran out. Strange coincidence that my weight has crept up a couple of kilos.

There are plenty of other things that conspire to help us store fat rather than burn it and if Jason Fung is correct, and he certainly makes good sense with references to boot, the more you cut your calorie intake which dieters have been doing for ages, the lower your metabolic rate will go. In fact he attributes what the dieting world call yo yo dieting down the fact that the metabolic rate decreases so that if you eat anything more than your already decreased calorie intake, it will be stored as fat.

Then there's insulin resistance and the fact that insulin is the fat storing insulin. My weight rising to 27st was the direct result of taking Rosiglitazone which made my pancreas create more insulin. No change in diet which was already restrictive, although not low carb, and no change in exercise. The GP made it worse by prescribing Citilapram for the anxiety caused by the weight gain. I was getting heavier and heavier and didn't have a worry in the world.

Stress also plays a part in our weight. The stress hormone is Cortisol which will cause higher levels of insulin and as your blood sugar drops then cravings for sugary, possibly fatty foods increase.

Estrogen is another hormone that affects weight. In theory ladies have more of that than gentlemen, but that's not a hard and fast rule. I have elevated levels of estrogen, always knew I was in touch with my feminine side. LOL

ickihun said:
Dream of cakes I can tolerate
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Some of the things I've mentioned, we can do something about. Mental attitude is probably the most difficult. So, thinking and/or dreaming about food is probably best avoided. I find that if I start thinking about food it just makes things more difficult and the other half buying stuff that I have to avoid doesn't make my life any easier. Maybe I should leave home?

I know you've been waiting a long time for this surgery and I hope it will happen soon. It will be a game changer. Good Luck!
 
Thanks @DavidGrahamJones.

What I like about this op is weight loss is guaranteed.
How much varies? but like us all, we're all different. (Like we have concluded).

This op imposes a level of eating which feeds a sparrow... at first.
1ltr of water maybe some effort, me thinks.
No drinking with eating.... Well no room for both.

Its very similiar to my own unbeknown attempt at the ND in the 80s. I lost 7st and was still losing. No external influences just me and my milkshakes of 4 flavours. Coffee flavour was one. I also drank machine full caff coffee out of the 5th and 6th form facilities. I was buzzing. Energy and losing weight.
I believe coffee and alcohol act the same after op. More potent.

The heading of this thread reminded me that even after op I won't be eating a full pizza. In fact some never desire their old favourites after op. They cannot take certain smells of various foods. Which is how I ended up stopping my own version of ND. My father was cooking a fried egg and I wanted to vomit. I knew I was going to get worse and would soon refuse ALL food. A teenager who was image conscious and had a method of improving that.... very quickly.
This time I am going to do things differently. Its controlled, monitored and full of support.
All these meds I'm on is what scares me the most about food restriction but it's all covered and monitored. This is the part I couldn't do myself. Some of my meds can kill. Especially my insulin.
Bariatric surgeon has asked for my diabetic specialist to be more involved, now. Rather than later.
Diabetic specialist offered the nurse once I started liver shrinking diet to reduce insulin. Mine is the sister in the unit so I have the best.
Even she was amazed I lost weight on insulin. Hence they changed my insulin to avoid hypos and I've never lost since. (which I will bring up). Endo told her that it's due to me eating properly now. Er... No.
I only lost when my bg range was in 5s. Stable 5s too. This new insulin prevents hypos so prevents 5s too.
I'm on a hiding to nothing, currently on this endo's insulin treatment.

However I really don't want new regime now. So close to an op.

Injected insulin really behaves differently depending on how it's been designed. Hence thus proves insulin made in our own bodies does the same. Different in everyone. My natural insulin may be fine for my friends and relations but not compatable for MY needs and MY metabolic status.
My own insulin is 1) not enough for my body weight and 2) not creating the right pathway to be used as energy so causes mayhem.
The right injected insulin solves both these problems, for me but it seems my new insulin isn't as compatable as my last one. Which is amplified when metformin has been taken out of my treatment due to incompatibility with IBS.

I now dream of the right insulin and its amount is irrelevant. Well it was last year. If I'm on too much insulin I hypo, like everyone else.

Thank you for letting me thrash through this annoyance.
All imput is invaluable.
 
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DavidGrahamJones said:
the other half buying stuff that I have to avoid doesn't make my life any easier. Maybe I should leave home?
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Oh I'm with you on that one!! Instead of offering things I can eat, I get "Oh, you can't eat that can you", or "shall we have xyz for dinner?" and I have reiterate "You know I can't eat xyz". So, if you do leave home, maybe we could set up together?
 
We'll all be leaving home then. They all do it. Right?
Mine still tries the "do you want chocolate from the shop?" knowing fine well he won't buy the 90% expensive bar from a longer walked available shop. Argh!!!
I just get told I'm high maintenance. Which makes me laugh since I'm normally paying for the treat, in the first place.
The gall of it. Ha ha
 
archersuz said:
So, if you do leave home, maybe we could set up together?
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I'm looking to sail the Atlantic along with 250 other yachts in the Atlantic Rally for Cruisers. The set off in November to be in St Lucia by Christmas. Perhaps we should go for A Diabetes.co.uk sponsored boat. LOL
 
DavidGrahamJones said:
I'm looking to sail the Atlantic along with 250 other yachts in the Atlantic Rally for Cruisers. The set off in November to be in St Lucia by Christmas. Perhaps we should go for A Diabetes.co.uk sponsored boat. LOL
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That sounds amazing
 
archersuz said:
So where are we going to locate out Low Carb Commune?
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Leicester is the headed area for diabetes intelligence. So I've heard?
Although too far for me, at mo. Even a trip to Newcastle is huge effort.
You may have to set up and I'll follow once I can walk more. Ha ha

No singing without me thou! Ha ha especially kumbaya.

ALL TOGETHER SING
Kumbaya

Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbayah
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's laughing, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's crying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's praying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's…

OH THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.
I might need....
Someone's injecting Lord or Someone's baking low carb Lord.

What would be yours?
 
I've been advised not to do 100% no carb.
I'm taking their advice, for now.

Mind you I'm a long time diabetic so I may give it a whirl in a few years time. Once my new system settles down. If, no support to keep weight low.
 
Tipetoo said:
I used to eat a whole medium size pizza at one hit, that was when pizza was pizza, not the rubbish from Pizza Hut or the rubbishy pizza shops.
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A man can eat more calories, it seems. Well my other half can. He has been getting away with it til depression tablets have piled on the weight. He still loves his pizzas but anyone's as long as pepperoni. I cannot change him. His metabolism used to be great. They recheck him for diabetes because of citalopram.
Alot of builders can cope with high calorie foods as they can burn it off.
My friends and family currently can walk better than me but haven't always. I used to jog through Greenwich Park and gym daily. I was 16st(ish) but still didn't eat a whole pizza. Pitta bread filled with salad was my only bread. I was eating porridge and jacket potatoes thou. If only I knew!!!
 
There a pizzas and PIZZAS. On holiday recently in Puglia my wife, who is 67 and size 8-10 had, on several occasions, pizzas all large plate size and ate the lot, as did quite small children in restaurants. At home she could manage maybe a third of that diameter pizza. The difference is the Italian ones were very thin with toppings like Palma ham and rocket not the great slabs of bread topped with a full English breakfast common in the UK. Still not the food for diabetics unfortunately.
 
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I found out this week that I am an Epicurian - who was a predecessor of Mr Micawber as far as I understand it.
His philosophy, such of it has come down to us, was to contrive to be happy with what you have in an active manner.
My family background was of not only not spending that extra shilling, but of putting ninepence away for when times got really hard.
 
I take it you mean in it's proper form as advanced by Epicurus not as it is thought of mostly these days as the self induljent persuit of pleasure and luxury.
 
ickihun said:
A teenager who was image conscious and had a method of improving that.... very quickly.
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are the Bariatric team aware of your teenage bulimia and ready to offer support if it starts to feel like you may be going down that road again?
 
JohnEGreen said:
I take it you mean in it's proper form as advanced by Epicurus not as it is thought of mostly these days as the self induljent persuit of pleasure and luxury.
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I think so - I only just found out about Epicurus thanks to a BBC Radio 4 program on philosophers.
Never too old to learn, it seems.
The series 'My life as a - ' began with cynic, Epicurean was next and the third is stoic - fascinating stuff.
I might just be a natural philosopher who got misdirected into the sciences.
 
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