Can someone let me know what Chinese Food I can eat

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I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes around 4 years ago, I believe I probably had it a lot longer. Aside from being told to watch what I ate, and attending the surgery for an annual review, I just carried on eating and doing everything the same. However, this time I was told that my diabetes is registering "57", following a blood test. Haven't a clue what this means, except that it is apparently getting worse and I may have to take medication 3 times a day.
I was told I had to exercise more and change my diet. I asked about the food I could eat, Indian, Italian, Chinese - especially Chinese, but was told to stick to salads, with fish or meat. I could eat a small amount of rice or pasta, but to leave off potatoes.
Sorry, but I cannot live like that. So would appreciate any and all advice as to what I can eat, as my wife loves cooking and I love eating and whilst I don't have a problem in adjusting what I eat, I do not want to give up all my pleasures, including the occasional pint or glass of wine.
 
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I will tag @daisy1 for you. She will send you some information for newcomers. Many forum members have an occasional pint or glass of wine. I chose not to but that is my personal choice. I would rather eat a small amount of potatoes once in a while than a glass of wine. Basically you have to cut down on the amount of carbohydrates you eat to bring your blood sugar down. Chinese food that has meat or fish and vegetables but in a savory rather than sweet sauce would be best if you are going to eat Chinese food.I would skip the rice for now. It is important to control your blood sugar so that you can live and live without diabetic complications such as blindness, heart and kidney disease, neuropathy or amputations. Diabetes type 2 is a very serious but controllable disease.
 
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It is a personal choice. When there are indications that the body is failing in some respect the individual can decide whether to cosset it or not. It is a choice between quality and quantity of life. You are allowed to eat anything you like providing you accept the consequences.

It isn't possible to be very specific in giving advice about what to eat apart from the obvious conclusion that if you are losing the ability to process carbohydrates then eating less carbohydrate seems sensible. Exactly how your body is failing in respect of carbohydrates is not possible to say without the use of a blood glucose monitor so that you can actually see the effect each food has on you. It is necessary to eat, test and decide what raises your blood glucose to an unacceptable level and then decide what you are going to do about it.

No other individual can predict what the effect of each food will have on you.
 

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@nickella

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the basic information we give to new members and I hope this will be useful to you. You will see there is a lot of choice of foods you can eat. It is however important to reduce the carbs you eat as they will increase your levels. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 210,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

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As mentioned above, we cannot tell you what to eat. You have to make that decision for yourself. I personally do not eat chinese food although I love it as it is a minefield of added sugar, starches in coatings, and usually large amounts of msg. Even if you pass on the rice and noodles it is likely to shoot your sugars to the moon but everyone is different and you may find otherwise. What you do have to ask yourself is are you prepared to live with the consequences to yourself and your family of "I can't live like that". If you are well then enough said. I wish you well.
 
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Personally I'd knock out noodles, rice or chips totally. Then try and reintroduce them in about 6 months time, with the 2hrs after meter testing then monitor heavily for a day to see if any delayed higher bgs.
Their sauces have sugar in so they will spike most people in excess, like any other sugary sauce. A little can be ok for me as long as no other carb in involved. As a treat I have a all-u-can eat and select mussels and beef and pork in loose sauces so I can grain them off. I'm soon full on protein and their garlic veggies. No prawn crackers, nor their soup. Definitely not a sweet. I see it as a treat of excessive protein, which in itself can raise my evening bgs. As a one off. More gentle on the liver, I feel.
 
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I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes around 4 years ago, I believe I probably had it a lot longer. Aside from being told to watch what I ate, and attending the surgery for an annual review, I just carried on eating and doing everything the same. However, this time I was told that my diabetes is registering "57", following a blood test. Haven't a clue what this means, except that it is apparently getting worse and I may have to take medication 3 times a day.
I was told I had to exercise more and change my diet. I asked about the food I could eat, Indian, Italian, Chinese - especially Chinese, but was told to stick to salads, with fish or meat. I could eat a small amount of rice or pasta, but to leave off potatoes.
Sorry, but I cannot live like that. So would appreciate any and all advice as to what I can eat, as my wife loves cooking and I love eating and whilst I don't have a problem in adjusting what I eat, I do not want to give up all my pleasures, including the occasional pint or glass of wine.

The blood glucose level that your doc returns to you after a blood test is your average blood glucose, take a look at this page for more info....
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/what-is-hba1c.html

This differs from any blood tests that you are likely to do at home on a daily basis........
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

All carbohydrates will effect your blood glucose (sugar is a carbohydrate) so rice, pasta, potato and bread need to be assessed to determine the effect that they have on you. You can still eat fast food but you can choose less carby foods from the menu.

As you have mentioned beer and wine in your post - beer can be a bit carby, so again, assess what the effect is on YOU with the aid of a blood glucose monitor.

When deciding whether you want to accept the warnings given to you, make sure you have availed yourself of the likely outcomes.......
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-complications/diabetes-complications.html
 

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@nickella hello, if you go to the top of the page to the search and type in Chinese takeaway you will be given a whole thread about Chinese food which I found really helpful.
 

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I love Chinese food. It's usually pretty healthy too.
I nearly tagged funny. What do you eat @mist? Veggie dishes? The chinese menus up in Sunderland are laced with sugar. In nearly every dish.
I must admit I've been in some lovely expensive restaurants at blackheath, london and they're less sugary. Better quality meats and fish too.
You get what you pay for! ;)
 
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Hi @nickella and welcome to the forum. An HbA1c of 57 isn't very high and you should be able to reduce that by avoiding or cutting down on starchy carbohydrate foods, like rice, as much as possible.
I'm not that keen on Chinese food and only eat it occasionally. After having reduced my HbA1c to non-diabetic levels I find I can eat rice (usually with Indian meals) without raising my blood sugar levels.
The only way you can find out how your food affects you is by getting a blood sugar monitor and testing before, then two hours after your first mouthful.
Wine should be ok, especially red wine. Dry white wine should be ok too, but avoid the sweeter white wines.
Diabetics call beer 'liquid bread' as it is high in carbs. But again it affects some more than others and you will only know how it affects you is by testing. I have three or four pints occasionally, though not almost every night as I used to and it doesn't seem to affect my blood sugars, but I don't think it is good for my weight which I need to control too.
 
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I nearly tagged funny. What do you eat @mist? Veggie dishes? The chinese menus up in Sunderland are laced with sugar. In nearly every dish.
I must admit I've been in some lovely expensive restaurants at blackheath, london and they're less sugary. Better quality meats and fish too.
You get what you pay for! ;)

It's usually the sauces that are loaded with sugar! I just order fried veggies with chicken and have a small amount of rice. But I inject insulin though so I can just inject more or less depending on what I eat.

I am partial to the occasional chicken ball too..:D

Important note: Water chestnuts have no place in my mouth..:***:
 

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It's usually the sauces that are loaded with sugar! I just order fried veggies with chicken and have a small amount of rice. But I inject insulin though so I can just inject more or less depending on what I eat.

I am partial to the occasional chicken ball too..:D

Important note: Water chestnuts have no place in my mouth..:***:

I forgot your not insulin resistant. I see you as one of us. Type 2s have insulin resistance so carbs can interfer with that. Especially excessive carbs. As a type 1 can you have sugary sauces and if regularly does your insulin need increase?
Type 2s output insulin to pretty much everything. The variant is how much insulin resistant that person is. So keeping carbs down can reduce insulin resistance.
 
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Well my pancreas still kind of works I think, just not very well. I was never actually told what type of diabetes I have, just told to inject insulin whenever I eat anything..:p

I eat pretty much what I like and yea, just inject however much insulin I think will be enough, it's all guesswork with me because I don't really take it as seriously as I probably should..

I would guess that noodles and rice would be the worst part of a Chinese meal, and the sauce obviously. I reckon all the veggies are good? Maybe avoid anything starchy?

I'm not the right person to offer advice I'm afraid, I just saw the sentence "Chinese food" and got hooked in like a little sharky fishy! :D
 
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Well my pancreas still kind of works I think, just not very well. I was never actually told what type of diabetes I have, just told to inject insulin whenever I eat anything..:p

I eat pretty much what I like and yea, just inject however much insulin I think will be enough, it's all guesswork with me because I don't really take it as seriously as I probably should..

I would guess that noodles and rice would be the worst part of a Chinese meal, and the sauce obviously. I reckon all the veggies are good? Maybe avoid anything starchy?

I'm not the right person to offer advice I'm afraid, I just saw the sentence "Chinese food" and got hooked in like a little sharky fishy! :D
When i worked in a chinese takeaway years ago i was told most dishes were only invented for the british palette. In china they eat differently, india too. I can now double vouch for that statement.
My indian friend made me authentic indian food, it was very spicy. Lovely thou.
I miss the authentic foods in London. More sugary junk served here.
 
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When i worked in a chinese takeaway years ago i was told most dishes were only invented for the british palette. In china they eat differently, india too. I can now double vouch for that statement.
My indian friend made me authentic indian food, it was very spicy. Lovely thou.
I miss the authentic foods in London. More sugary junk served here.

Yea I can totally believe that. Our pallets are feable compared to those in Asia. They are fearless! :D
 

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Yea I can totally believe that. Our pallets are feable compared to those in Asia. They are fearless! :D
Hi @mist . I find that the pallets made in this country far superior to those from further afield.:):):):):):)