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can't control blood sugars.

s.sollis

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Have type 2, on metformin 850mg 3 times a day, cliclazide 160mg 2 times a day and just started on insulin a month ago at the moment on 32 units which isn't having a lot of affect. Whatever I eat they are raised. Even after a cup of tea they can go up as much as 10 points. Need help!!
 
I have sweetener with my tea!! Yes I do have fatty liver disease, also chronic pancreatitis, but since being on insulin i have abstained from alcohol. I have also started exercising daily.
 
1. 'up 10 points?' What are 'points'?
2. Would 'Insulin 32 units' be Glargine per day or Novorapid per meal, or what?
3. It would be interesting to know just what you're eating.
 
Hi @s.sollis and welcome to the forum.

Are you on other medication, i.e. pain killers? Has your G.P. given you any dietary advice?
It is difficult to advise unless we know more about you and what you are eating on a daily basis and with the added concern about chronic pancreatitis as some people with this condition have problems with malabsorption.
I will tag @daisy1 for some basic information to see if that can help.

There are other members here who have problems with pancreatitis and hopefully they will join in. I know @Cumberland has mentioned about this. He may have some advice for you.
 
@s.sollis

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here, to help you with your diabetes management, is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi @s.sollis and welcome to the forum.

Are you on other medication, i.e. pain killers? Has your G.P. given you any dietary advice?
It is difficult to advise unless we know more about you and what you are eating on a daily basis and with the added concern about chronic pancreatitis as some people with this condition have problems with malabsorption.
I will tag @daisy1 for some basic information to see if that can help.

There are other members here who have problems with pancreatitis and hopefully they will join in. I know @Cumberland has mentioned about this. He may have some advice for you.

Thanks Catherine

Hi s.sollis

Sorry to hear you have been suffering from Pancreatitis (not pleasant at all)

How high are your readings and how often?

Do you have readings going off the meter?

What insulin(s) are you injecting?

Don't despair, plenty of folk on here who will try and help you, I am no expert. give me a shout if you want to.
 
Hi. Having the low-carb diet is the key to weight loss and hence reducing insulin resistance and blod sugar. You may want to discuss coming off the Gliclazide with the nurse now you are on insulin as insulin effectively does the job. Also it may be relevant with pancreatitis?
 
Have type 2, on metformin 850mg 3 times a day, cliclazide 160mg 2 times a day and just started on insulin a month ago at the moment on 32 units which isn't having a lot of affect. Whatever I eat they are raised. Even after a cup of tea they can go up as much as 10 points. Need help!!
Maybe you should see your nurse or doctor again to discuss switching to a different insulin regime, such as basal/bolus, which means you have both a long acting insulin once or twice a day and a short acting insulin with meals.
 
Maybe you should see your nurse or doctor again to discuss switching to a different insulin regime, such as basal/bolus, which means you have both a long acting insulin once or twice a day and a short acting insulin with meals.
Thank you, just spoke with my DSN and I'm seeing her on 2nd October to change my insulin. Hopefully will get back on track.
 
Thanks Catherine

Hi s.sollis

Sorry to hear you have been suffering from Pancreatitis (not pleasant at all)

How high are your readings and how often?

Do you have readings going off the meter?

What insulin(s) are you injecting?

Don't despair, plenty of folk on here who will try and help you, I am no expert. give me a shout if you want to.
Thank you. I'm seeing my DSN on 2nd October to change my insulin regime. Thanks for the words of encouragement, I find this all quite hard to deal with and it's good to speak to others about this.
 
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