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Can't lower levels

Bigbassett_

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Location
Wales
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Hi.
I'm 41. I'm new diagnosed type 2. Tho I was warned 2 years ago I was heading this way.
Anyway I'm in the process of being seen so at present no medication has been started.
I have reduced carbs massively. Some days cut out all together. I have got bloods down sometimes as low as 7.5 before food. But I wake daily around 11 and go to 18 after trying for ten days to lower them. I average around 11.

Any thoughts on what I can do? I usually cycle 3 times a week at least. Very hilly area average 20 miles a time. This week I haven't as a. Not had much chance and b. Feel a bit physically **** if I'm honest...... Tho that's an excuse cos it's been this way for a good while.

Any suggestions welcomed.

Thank you in advance.

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Hello @Bigbassett_ and welcome.

Can you give us some idea of what you are eating, and what your starting blood sugar levels were please? How long have you been diagnosed? It took me around three weeks to start getting lower blood sugar levels.
 
Seems quite a short time. I did see benefit but not for a while - maybe 4 - 6 weeks.
What was your HBA1C on diagnosis? Any other meds?

Be aware that your exercise, which is a great thing, will raise BG for at least an hour depending on how hard you go for it. Gentle exercise lowers BG. I can go 3.5mmol up when I go for a really hard ride and then shower. But it comes down pretty quickly by 2. Then more slowly for the last 1.
 
Yes, it would be helpful if you could tell us a typical days food. We may spot things to help. Also what was your diagnostic HbA1c?
 
Hba1c is 75. Just starting metformin tomorrow. I'm 5ft 7 13.5 stone. Slight belly but fit as cycle.
Gone reducing carbs but it's not coming down much so hope metformin helps.

Thanks all.
 
Hi @Bigbassett_ and welcome
You have certainly made a good move coming here. Since joining this forum, the folks here have given me so much info, advice and support that I am now much more confident about the journey ahead. So ask your questions and be assured that you will receive the answers that you need. It can all seem uphill to start with but, in my experience, it gets easier .. very quickly.

There is a lot of conflicting and sometimes confusing information around .. but the key point to take on board is that managing and controlling your diabetes (or pre-diabetes) through exercise, diet and testing your Blood Glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 3-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

I have tagged @daisy1 for you and I suggest that you read up on the valuable information that she will soon be sending you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. together with the following Diet Doctor websites, which will give you all the info that you need on what and what not to eat ...
Low Carb Intro and Information and Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

Unless you are prescibed a test meter and strips by your surgery (unlikely), it is a priority that you get yourself one and, for this, the following websites might help:
https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 or:
http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.
I have both which I alternate for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them.

The costs of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets. Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on your meter or strips.
For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £29.49
10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £58.98
For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. but there are no discount codes currently available

I'm testing 3-5 times a day which works out at around £10 to £12 per month for either of the two packages above but, more importantly, I now know what my BG levels are .. and I can now manage them

Hope this helps
 
Hba1c is 75. Just starting metformin tomorrow. I'm 5ft 7 13.5 stone. Slight belly but fit as cycle.
Gone reducing carbs but it's not coming down much so hope metformin helps.

Thanks all.

Reducing carbs is what will help. Metformin is a mild drug that does very little to help. It does help a bit with insulin resistance and also helps reduce the amount of natural glucose the liver produces. It is mainly an appetite suppressant. Please don't rely on it. Diet is the key.
Just what are you currently eating?

Your BMI is verging on the obese, so you do need to lose some weight, and belly fat is essential to lose.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/bmi.html
 
Thanks both @AM1874 and @Bluetit1802

Yes always been bordering obese. Tho I don't go in for bmi. All rugby squad members are obese on this scale. But I agree I am on fact a little porky despite the exercise lol.

I'll check out the carb links etc and certainly appreciate your replies. Especially the test kit cos my strips are crazy price.

Thanks again.
 
@Bigbassett_

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions and someone will come along and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
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Another quickie. My bm has been averaging 11 to 15. I feel awful on a few occasions and it's been 7.5. I'm guessing that's cos I'm used to running a little high?
 
Another quickie. My bm has been averaging 11 to 15. I feel awful on a few occasions and it's been 7.5. I'm guessing that's cos I'm used to running a little high?

High blood sugars will make you tired and feel lousy. It is one of the symptoms of undiagnosed diabetes. Sometimes when they drop lower you can also feel lousy and this is because your body is complaining that you are too low. Of course, you are nowhere near too low, but your body isn't used to these lower levels. Your body will get over it!
 
Hi again. Yes, do continue with a low carb diet perhaps a max of 150gm/day and a lot less if you can. Metformin won't have much effect but helps. If you find despite all this and some weight loss, the blood sugar doesn't come down then be suspicious of being T1 which can be tested for. There are further tablets that can added as well.
 
Dude
Welcome to a world of contradiction, highs will make you feel poop as to lows. Some days eating something will take you higher than other days. Its an **** for sure!

This is not your fault, the body misbehaving is what's happening, Diet and Metformin will work, together with exercise and you are on the right path, it can take time so be kind to yourself and let the magic happen, you can do this.

Use a food diary that works out your carbs, sugar etc are, it is a bit addictive at the start but can show you where the surprises pop up. I did learn a lot, especially about portion sizes.

I had an old school doctor say "if you have eaten your calories for the day, drink water, you won't starve!" which when you look at it, it makes you examine what your calories in vs calories out are, sofa days require less than cycle days.

Test before and a constant 90 minutes after a meal, document the results, learn what is good and what's not great for you.

Ask questions, listen, ponder ask again. You will learn lots.

Be awesome and show this illness what good looks like
 
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