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Carb Counting

mick180

Active Member
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Location
derby
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
hi all, could anyone tell me how to count carbs. do I count the full carbs or just the ones that sugar? EG: carbohydrate 17G of which sugars 4G. do I count it as 17 or 4. and how many carbs should I be having per day or over 3 meals. thanks for your help.
 
You count all the carbs @mick180 , they all turn into glucose in the body, not just the sugar.

Welcome to the forums, I'll ask @daisy1 to send you some info.

The goverment reference intake is 250/260g per day (depending on your information source). Many forum members consume less than 50g per day but you must decide for yourself where you want to sit within this range. Personally, (as a T1) I find my blood glucose levels easier to manage with an intake of around 120 to 150g per day.
 
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@mick180

Hello Mick and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. It will give you a lot of advice on carbs and a link to the Low Carb Program which you may find helpful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help you.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 210,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi. The government reference figures for daily carbs are ridiculous. I would set a limit of, say, 150gm/day and see how you go and use a meter to test. Spread the carbs out during the day where you can to help avoid spikes.
 
If you want to track them easily look at My Fitness Pal app, includes most of the food you buy in a supermarket (including scanner facility) and many high street restaurants
 
In the initial week just try and reduce your carb intake as low as you can, and then based on testing find out how much carbohydrate your body can cope with at each meal.
 
No im on tablets 4 a day

Thanks @mick180 , sorry, there were some previous posts on the thread (that have since been deleted) that had mistakenly assumed you were on insulin so I just wanted to ask so comments were applicable to you.
 
In your opening question the answer is 17 is what you count. No one can tell you exactly how many carbs a day to eat and people on insulin can usually get away with a few more than type 2's not on insulin can, but it is always an individual thing. I eat around 20 grams carb per day, others eat more, some even less. Have a good read of daisy1's post and follow all the links. Eating to your meter is the best way to find the right level for you. Some find it easier to cut almost all carbs and then slowly add some back to tolerance, some reduce them gradually until they hit the right balance. If you need to lose weight, the right balance is when your BG is in a good range and the weight is coming off, if you do not need to lose weight then the right range is when BG is good and your weight is stable. You will need to increase your fats as you cut carbs as to not be hungry. This does not mean eating fat with a spoon, it simply means using full fat products and adding a bit of butter to your veggies and mayo or full fat low carb salad dressing to your salads, things like that. It is a learning process as your body is unique and it will take time to get it all figured out. Good luck and welcome to the forum.
 
Wow, you are taking even more than me. I take 750ER ones tho
could you advise me on what I should be eating for breakfast. And what would you normally eat for dinner and evening meal? At the moment im having marmite on 2 toast. Dinner 3 sausage about 10 chips and beans. Evening meal I have a salad. Either Chicken or tuna or salmon most times. Friday evening meal I have a fry up lol
 
Personally, I'd skip the toast, chips, and perhaps the beans (depending on the carb count).

Since my diagnosis last October, I've had a grand total of 3 slices of bread (spread out over about 5 meals), no potato fries, and about 2 homemade potato chips. Bread and potatoes are very high in easily digestible carbs - so the carbs turn into blood glucose pretty quickly, generally creating a pretty high spike. I make it a very rare treat - and usually only have a part of a slice if I'm accompanying it with wine to shut off the liver dump of glucose.

If, by chips, you mean potato chips - 10 is not too bad (if you aren't eating any other carbs during the meal). If you mean hot fried potatoes, 10 is probably pretty high (I can only find values by weight, not count, but everything I find for a serving is over my 20 gram limit). A small serving of plain boiled beans is not too bad - but baked beans (typically covered in a sugar-filled sauce) are pretty high in carbs.

I typicaly eat:

First meal:
5 oz of full-fat Greek yogurt
40 grams of an unsugared fruit (pomegranate seeds, peaches, raspberries)
14 grams of almonds

Second meal:
Large salad (romaine or leafy green lettuce ~150 grams, 50 grams of green peppers, 50 grams of zucchini or cucumbers, 50 grams of broccoli and/or cauliflower, 14 grams of almonds, sometimes plain grilled/baked meat)

Third meal:
Egg bake (1-2 eggs + a variety of low carb veggies) {Substitutes chicken and spicy lentils, pepper with jeweled feta, chicken or pork thai curry)
Sour cream topping

Snacks:
Cheese
Almonds
Quest bars
Nut butters (including in celery)

I eat no more than net 20 carbs/meal or snack. I track it on myfitnesspal.com
 
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