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Carbs are out!

I am so jealous. Its taken me a year and a half to loose a stone and a half. Now its taking me 7 weeks to loose 4lb. I will get there if it takes me another year.

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It is so hard isn't it. I think we are all different and we need to take the time out bodies tell us we need. I had so much to lose, and it went well for months, but now it is very slow so I do understand how frustrating it can be to lose only a pound after a week's hard work. At the moment I'm thinking - OK, a pound a week and in 10 weeks that's another 10 lbs. Keep going though Jamrox - I'm chasing Andrew Colvin!
 
paulins said:
DESMOND day tomorrow! Will be intrigued to see what they suggest I eat! As of today I have lost 4 stones - 56 lbs/25 kg. This has taken me since end of January, so about 4 months. All BS readings for past month in normal range. Was doing well on treadmill until last Friday when I had eye surgery (not in any way related to diabetes) so being careful and refraining from the very brisk walking until eyes healed completely. Weight loss has slowed but staying positive - all in the right direction. Saturday bought a DRESS! First in years and years. Next size down in jeans - can't get into them yet but determined to be wearing them by the end of June! By summer will be able to wear T-shirts and jeans comfortably. SO, all you low carvers - it is worth it, definitely.
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Carbers, not carvers. Freudian slip?
 
Andrew Colvin said:
Excellent Paulins. Only 4 more pounds and you over take me. I seem to have completely plateaued so may need to reduce my carb and or nut intake or alternatively up my exercise which I currently seem to be struggling with.
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Will up the exercise when I'm healed. Still on very low carbs, and will continue until target weight. But my body is telling me I need something else now apart from vegetables and the odd piece of chicken!
 
I had a conversation with 2 dieticians today ( casual conversation not as a patient).
I discussed NICE advice and asked their opinion on low carb. They advocated high fibre ( usual advice) said the guidance was evidence based , I couldn't argue with that.

I told them I couldn't tolerate carbs of any variety , unless in small portions.
One of them said diabetes is such a personal thing and was glad I have found something that works for me.
The other one basically didn't believe me and thought I was talking ****. She didn't actually use those words but that was the message I got.

You know what I don't care what they thought really. I know I feel better , much better infact and my blood sugars are stable.

In conclusion , purely my opinion, the experts will catch up with what we already know and the national guidance will change.
As I said , purely my opinion.

Thanks to everyone on here for their great advice.


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You should have told the second one that your 'regime' was also evidence based.;)
 
jclare said:
Hi All
I have been diagnosed with T2 since 2010 but probably had some symptoms well before that. I went through the usual mental issues such as ignoring it altogether, having a go at dropping nice food and lying to the Doc about how hard I was trying to 'sort it out'. Last January I had a clinic session and my BS was way up there in the sky. For some reason I decided to have a go at getting the readings down. I am on Metformin 1000, Replagine and a couple of Blood pressure tabs. Since reading the forum on a load of topics I had a go at the Low Carb idea. My last visit (couple of weeks ago now) was an eye opener for me. The Doc nearly fell off his chair when he saw the results of my regime of three months. My average reading was well in the normal range of 5.6, which made him ask what I had been doing to cause it. I said Low Carb and he smiled and congratulated me. At no time in the past did anyone there tell me what I should be doing to reduce the readings. All I got was the usual nutritional blather about 5 a day and eat spuds etc. This forum has probably had a big effect on my life - if not helped to save it or at the least extend it. I can't thank all of you enough for all the good advice and discussion I read everyday. We are all far more involved in this diabetes thing than the NHS and we are all far more supportive of each other. Recently (having missed Chicken Curry a lot) I found that I could tolerate one from the Indian Restaurant but not from the Chinese. I reason that the Chinese recipe uses flour to thicken sauce but the Indian uses Dhal (lentils). This has improved my outlook (daft as it seems) and I now indulge in foods that I thought previously were out of reach - great. Rice and Pasta are very much a no no still, as was bread until I read about the Bergen loaf on this forum. Again, this bread didn't have any real effect on my BG and now I can enjoy a butty again. I even have a burger but using the crusts - no BG effects. I have been testing every day since January. Sounds obsessive but its the only way to find out what works for me. I use the Gluco Nexus machine from the Doc. The strips are £17+ at Boots, Coop, and Lloyds pharmacy. At Asda they are £10. Why the discrepancy and how come they are allowed to make a profit out of someones illness? I am waiting to try the other 'new' loaf I read about here - LivLife - even lower carbs per slice than Bergen. Currently I think Waitrose is the only one and thats 20 miles away. Long journey for a loaf costing £1.99. My morning phenomena readings have come down over the 3 months but remain strangely high at between 6 and 9. I haven't yet found anything that drops it consistently but I keep trying.

Anyway, many thanks to all of you for your 100% support of others like you and for getting me out of the 'denial' stages and into getting on with it.
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You can buy a sd code free meter off ebay and strips cost £7 a pot. I speak as a convert! Well done with the weight loss :D
 
sanguine said:
You should have told the second one that your 'regime' was also evidence based.;)
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She said that the Diabetes uk forum was just people's opinion and not scientific! !!

I'm all for evidence base but to dismiss the experience of people on here , when I'm proof that reducing carbs has worked for me .... of course it may not work for everyone.





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I've had the same conversation today with my DN. Low carb. She wasnt happy and lectured me that as a diabetic I NEED the carbs (complex) as they will slow down the spikes that eating everything else will give me!! She was very impressed with my hba1c and didnt like it when I said I have around 60g of carbs per day. Not bothered what she thinks, I am doing what is working. Referred for Desmond course too ;)
 
shellysexbomb said:
I've had the same conversation today with my DN. Low carb. She wasnt happy and lectured me that as a diabetic I NEED the carbs (complex) as they will slow down the spikes that eating everything else will give me!! She was very impressed with my hba1c and didnt like it when I said I have around 60g of carbs per day. Not bothered what she thinks, I am doing what is working. Referred for Desmond course too ;)
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You didn't ask what of the "everything else" that caused spikes? Blimey, if this is the level of training the DNs get I'm not surprised at the state of diabetics care.
What about giving evening classes for HPCs on basic facts in nutrition?
 
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What you all need is a good dose of cowardice. When I tested myself and found I was 12 after 18 hours fasting I was so frightened I hardly ate for 2 months. lost over 3 stone. felt very ill though.
 
Well its 1 oclock in the morning and I feel.awful.
I'm diet controlled type 2 . Usually well controlled.
Got cocky yesterday and went off the rails.
I had ran out of salad and usually low carb breakfast foods . I had alpen for breakfast, a sandwich and maltesers at lunch . Spaghetti and meatballs , white bread .... ,. Yes I worked off 500 calories but now. ..
Well now Im buzzing all over. Feel hyper, Cant think and want to scream.
Thirsty , peeing etc
Morale of the story is ... I know better than to eat what I did and yes high carb foods are out. I don't know if its intolerance or whatever but they are out.
Tomorrow will be back to normal.

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Jamrox said:
Well its 1 oclock in the morning and I feel.awful.
I'm diet controlled type 2 . Usually well controlled.
Got cocky yesterday and went off the rails.
I had ran out of salad and usually low carb breakfast foods . I had alpen for breakfast, a sandwich and maltesers at lunch . Spaghetti and meatballs , white bread .... ,. Yes I worked off 500 calories but now. ..
Well now Im buzzing all over. Feel hyper, Cant think and want to scream.
Thirsty , peeing etc
Morale of the story is ... I know better than to eat what I did and yes high carb foods are out. I don't know if its intolerance or whatever but they are out.
Tomorrow will be back to normal.

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That was quite a carb-fest Jamrox. What brought that on? I understand you had run out of breakfast goodies, but you kept going, it seems.

I'm not being pious, as my time will come. Of that, I have no doubt. But, I'm dreading it all the same.
 
Sometimes its hard to stay at low carbs when you fancy some chocolate or that bag of crisps, and I think that sometimes you do fall of the wagon and that's OK as long as you do get back on the wagon , because this diabetic thing is always going to be there and its nice to let your hair down once in a while and have what you fancy in moderation but hey that's just my thoughts on it
 
Yes, why did you carry on ALL DAY with the carb fest? One answer is they say, after eating carbs, 2 hours later you need more carbs and so the cycle goes on. Another answer is that you know low carbs were doing you good. But sometimes you want to think you are normal and eat whatever normal people eat without a second thought, so you had a day of it. It will have done you good, because it has stopped you feeling perhaps fed up with your new eating menu, and you have suffered by doing so. You really tested the theory of falling off the waggon, made yourself ill doing it and so it will be now in your memory banks that you can not eat those foods without a negative impact on your body.

I'll bet you Never do it again! Good Luck. xx
 
Thanks everyone, I did feel ill and really p...d off with myself because I knew it was crazy when I was eating it.

Well todays another day and Im off to the shop for my blueberries and salad before I go to work.
Still feel a bit washed out this morning but ill be fine now.
I certainly haven't eaten that many carbs in one go for ages.

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Shelly dont like to dissapoint you but Desmond hate lchf l was looked on as antichrist for it. But on the positive side l had some cracking arguments lined up and people heard...but ignored my points several already on the way to trouble but Desmond and nhs knew best scary and sad
 
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Mud Island Dweller said:
Shelly dont like to dissapoint you but Desmond hate lchf l was looked on as antichrist for it. But on the positive side l had some cracking arguments lined up and people heard...but ignored my points several already on the way to trouble but Desmond and nhs knew best scary and sad
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I'll listen to what they say, then continue to do what I have found to work. if I HAD listened to my DN then I suspect my hba1c would have been much higher and I would be on tablets now. As far as I am concerned the longer I stay off tablets the better (although the free prescriptions would be useful for my other stuff...which begs the question if you go on tablets and qualify for free scipts, do you then lose the free scripts if and when you get yourself off the tablets?)
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