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Carbs or "of which sugars"?

Thanks Mike.

You cant have one without the other|

control + motivation = Success
 
Baruney said:
Hello

Has anyone got any views on the atkins advantage bars sine the last forum discussion in 2012?

Let's say the chocolate brownie 60g bar. Headline act "3.1 net carb" "net carbs are what you count when you are balencing your carb intake on the atkins diet".

Slightly smaller print "15.7 total carbs - 12.6 polyols = 3.1 net carbs.

Small print:

Energy 218 cals
carbs 15.7g
of which sugars 1.1g
of which polyols 12.6g
fibre fat protein etc....

not on pack polyols basically are sugar free sweetness or alcohol sugars.

General view - can make you go to the loo. Affect some people doesn't others. Test to your meter.

Anyhow they are buy one get one half price in certain shops at the moment. Very nice it was too and was used in the context as a Cariable easy snack whilst exercising. Ok on the loo front and bloods acceptable 2 hours after though that was from fasting as didn't have the opportunity to test on first bite.

So what's to do try again with more rigorous testing or bin it and find a better portable low carb snack/energy boost.

To your good health.
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I've been thinking about this, also about resuming baking. Something I enjoy. For now, I'm choosing to not eat anything sweetened. It's just too much of a trigger for me.

You won't see me bingeing on vegetables, but whole fruits, berries, anything sweet with the texture of bread, cakes, or cookies...look out if I've had a hard day and I'm tired.

I started reading the book Eat Fat two days ago - (it's to the point, informative, and the first book I'd recommend to newbies like myself) - but the pictures of sweets throughout the book and recipes of sweets at the end of the book bothered me. Less now, though I'm now smelling candy off and on. Not sure what that's about and hope it goes away soon.

Keep in mind that Atkins is now owned by a corporation, and their goal is to make money from people like you and me. As I was walking through our new Safeway today, I again made the mistake of walking through their baked goods area. More triggers and a reminder that sugar is good for business but bad for me.

All that said, I don't know if I could stay on the LCHF diet if I couldn't have my 2 squares of 70% cocoa chocolate each day...and I recognize that not everyone likes dark chocolate.

So in answer to your question, another question, how will these bars fit into your healthy lifestyle? Also, is there a whole food that could meet the need? But then, perhaps those chocolate brownie bars are what you need to stay on course with your healthy lifestyle. If yes, then I think it's a good idea so long as it works and continues to work for you. :)
 
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Winnie53 said:
I've been thinking about this, also about resuming baking. Something I enjoy. For now, I'm choosing to not eat anything sweetened. It's just too much of a trigger for me.

You won't see me bingeing on vegetables, but whole fruits, berries, anything sweet with the texture of bread, cakes, or cookies...look out if I've had a hard day and I'm tired.

I started reading the book Eat Fat two days ago - (it's to the point, informative, and the first book I'd recommend to newbies like myself) - but the pictures of sweets throughout the book and recipes of sweets at the end of the book bothered me. Less now, though I'm now smelling candy off and on. Not sure what that's about and hope it goes away soon.

Keep in mind that Atkins is now owned by a corporation, and their goal is to make money from people like you and me. As I was walking through our new Safeway today, I again made the mistake of walking through their baked goods area. More triggers and a reminder that sugar is good for business but bad for me.

All that said, I don't know if I could stay on the LCHF diet if I couldn't have my 2 squares of 70% cocoa chocolate each day...and I recognize that not everyone likes dark chocolate.

So in answer to your question, another question, how will these bars fit into your healthy lifestyle? Also, is there a whole food that could meet the need? But then, perhaps those chocolate brownie bars are what you need to stay on course with your healthy lifestyle. If yes, then I think it's a good idea so long as it works and continues to work for you. :)
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Hi winnie53

Looks like you are making great progress on your new way of eating and making informed decisions on the consequences of the foods you now eat or don't as the case may be.

My post is really to find out if anyone has some views on polyols rather than the atkins bars per se. Perhaps if I backfill it will help.

I'm training for the marathon in April and will hopefully be in optimum ketosis by then. This will entail that you are using your fat rather than carbs as your energy/fuel. This means staying below 20 carbs per day or atkins induction if you like. As marathons are a great marketing activity for sports drinks energy bars etc they chuck out every mile to the 'carb loader' to hook them in and keep them going. I want to run without these high sugar drinks/gels so unfortunately will have to carry my fuel round with me.

So I am looking for foods that are portable, practical, efficent and edible. I have found that nuts work as do pork scatchings and for all accounts the atkins bar worked last sunday on a 20 mile run. My concern is that the net carbs is just a marketing ploy and that the polyols are nearly as bad as the real thing so I am wasting my time with them and should investigate other foods. (Say how to carry peanut butter round in a bumbag without it going everywhere!)

Furthermore although the bar claims to be for "all phases" of the atkins which I don't really belive as circa 13 gs of polyols would equate to 26 servings of sweetness whereas Dr atkins recommends a max of 3 servings per day.
In anyCase the offer will probably end soon so being a tightwad I wouldn't buy them at the full price!

So all suggestions on energy rich, practical, portable, non messy and low carb snacks greatly appreciated.

P'S whilst atkins bar seems to have been a success a tin of anchovy failed the final selection.

Cheers.
 
Thanks Baruney. :)

I haven't read about polyoIs so don't have an answer for you but perhaps Joe Kuriel could suggest some resources for you... http://acaciahealth.com.au/low-carb-made-easy-everyone/ I listened to his wife's lectures on YouTube last weekend. Joe is doing what you're trying to do.

Jeff Volek and Stephen Phinney published a book in 2012 that might interest you. I don't have the book and haven't read it because that's not my focus but here's a link to the book so you can read reviews for the book... http://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-L...TF8&qid=1426308690&sr=8-1&keywords=jeff+volek

I encourage you to start a new topic. I'm sure there are others that share your interest. And I'm curious about polyols too, but doubt I'd eat foods with them. :)
 
Cheers winnie53

Yes I have v & p's book, will look into Joe kuriel and post on the the exercise forum.
 
Baruney said:
Cheers winnie53

Yes I have v & p's book, will look into Joe kuriel and post on the the exercise forum.
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Oh great! I have Volek's and Phinney's first book The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living, but not the second book on performance. I have two bosses who like to cycle long distances. Do you think they'd enjoy this book? Also, do you think the "Performance" book adds helpful information to the first book that would be of interest to me, a non-athlete? :)

Oh, and I do love cheesecake. Perhaps that could be a reward for getting my blood glucose levels down to non-diabetic levels. I'll start looking for a non-sugar recipe. Numbers are still coming down, but still have a long way to go. See the doctor for the first time on Wednesday. :)
 
Hi winnie53

No they won't like it - they'll love it. A lot of their science based research is done on cyclist and it is a how to book rather than a what is book like their living book. I think there are a couple of Vids on YouTube which are good summaries of the book so have a look there to see if applicable.

Best of luck at the docs.
 
Atkins bars are usually full of maltitol, which is the cousin of high fructose corn syrup and has a GI higher than a glass of orange juice. They can spike people badly and I hear of a lot of people who can't lose weight while using them.

Atkins himself was firmly against polyols and I think only stevia and Splenda were his approved sweeteners.
 
Thanks greendress. Gladly coming to the conclusion that they won't be part of my fuel to get me round the marathon.

In a word - nuts!
 
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