Casualty units struggling to cope

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This article is very alarming:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/ ... -frontline

The A&E statistics coincided with the axing of 890 jobs by the London Ambulance Service (LAS) and the disclosure that services in which specialist nurses help people with diseases such as cancer and diabetes are also facing cuts.

The ambulance service cuts in London will see 560 frontline posts disappear, including paramedics. The capital may also see some of its ambulance stations close, while, according to LAS chief executive Peter Bradley, solo paramedics rather than two-person crews will start responding to more callouts from September as part of a drive to save £53m over the next five years.

The needs of the NHS must be met in full, the above will just be a snap-shot of what is happening up and down the country.

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It is happening all over the country and nobody seems to be taking any notice. Large cuts everywhere within the NHS and when it has all gone and the NHS crumbles there will be an outcry but it will be too late. The new restructuring is on it's way and the private sector will be taking over. We will end up with a two tier system of those who can and those who cannot afford to be sick.
 

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It will be too late soon Catherine and the damage will be done, all we can do is pressurise our local Tory/Lib Dem MPs and tell them what we think of the NHS reforms and cuts, hopefully in the local elections the two parties will receive a bloody nose and they may begin to sit up and notice what people are saying.

I know voting in this manner isn't ideal and is no fault of the councilors involved, but in my view there is little else we can do to express how we feel about the present situation.

Nigel
 

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Surely in a not-so-amazing economy it would be better to create more jobs, as more people getting paid means more people buying more to feed the economy and things will balance out? Also more people available to supply healthcare means healthier people with better support and fewer sick days so less money lost...

Am I just being incredibly naive or are they going about this in an incredibly counter productive way?
 

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TigerBao said:
Surely in a not-so-amazing economy it would be better to create more jobs, as more people getting paid means more people buying more to feed the economy and things will balance out? Also more people available to supply healthcare means healthier people with better support and fewer sick days so less money lost...

Am I just being incredibly naive or are they going about this in an incredibly counter productive way?

Hi TigerBao
That makes a lot of sense...I'd vote for you!... :)

Regards, Malc.
 

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Thats right catherincherub (comment removed) Every one talks the talk but dont walk the walk . I have said it before and say it again (Does none of our own people realise) that the measures that are getting shoved down our throats are of very similar to the practise that disabled or poorly people were treat in the war time in concentration camps .Our meds are getting stept on our health is in danger .A good majority of our people and family's are loosing there homes (Ending up in hostels because there is no councal homes for us to live in ) No one hardly speaks to there neighbours never mind for themselves . Even i can remember when people used to leave there doors open and people helped each other out .Now the british are the ones putting towels on sunbeds .Walk past many a begger with there noses so far in the air and reacting as if they were scraping a piece of dog (lite!) of there feet .The big problems that the people in the uk is (THERE IS NO UNITY) OTHER COUNTRIES CAN BOAST SAFETY IN NUMBERS )!!!!!!!!!!! AND THATS JUST THE OPENING LINE ) :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
 

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Its no surprise to me Nigel, my local hospital merged with two other hospitals about eighteen months ago which where also in the red like our one and then last autumn they closed the A&E at the hospital closest to me saying that they couldnt get staff which comes as no surprise as they had talked of closing it when the merger happened. They said it was just for the winter but I dont expect it to re open any time soon somehow.

And of course our local A&E is busier than ever, oh and 12 years ago we had three A&E's in our borough alone, so can we blame Lansley for that as well? I live in the largest London borough BTW :cry:
 

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Further more sid how much has your locality grown from the twelve years ago?
 

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I heard a discussion about this on the radio today. Don't know who they were interviewing, but he was trying to suggest that paramedics/ambulance crews weren't 'frontline'. Not in those exact words, but that's what he meant. How much more 'frontline 'can you get than that?

All this talk of protecting frontline staff is about as accurate (not) as when they describe NHS funding as 'ringfenced' or 'protected'. Backoffice staff are there to support the frontline. No good sending someone to theatre for surgery if there's no equipment sterilised, no clean 'scrubs' to wear, no anaesthetic available, no painkillers, no dressings, no emergency equipment, casenotes not available etc because the backup isn't there.
 

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What they should do is sack some of the no-good lazy so'n'so nurses who are totally useles at their jobs and have no interest whatsoever in helping people, all they are interested in is getting through until the next payday.

I was in (Name removed) Hospital on Monday to have a stent put in. I had two already in my LAD and the third was to reopen it again. Had the procedure done but for some reason or other they could not place the stent, they did tell me why before they pushed me out of the room but I was too groggy from the morphine to understand what they meant. I did, however, understand that another vessel (a D2, whatever that means) was "lost" during the procedure. Every procedure carries certain risks and I guess this is one of them.

I was supposed to go back home the same day but because I had suffered bad chess pain due to the loss of this vessel they decided to keep me in overnight for observation. During the night I had bad stomach pain and mentioned it to the nurses, I was told that it was probably "air" and left in pain all night long. Next day, Tuesday, the Doc came round and discharged me. While I was waiting for my discharge papers I took a peek into my notes and seen that the Doctor who carried out the procedure ordered a "4 hour CK and 12 hour troponin tests". These test were not done, neither of them.

About 2 hours later a Pharmacist came and asked me about my medication and also asked me if I was supposed to start on Clopidogrel. I told her that I didn't know and also that I hadn't had any stent put in so probably not. She said she would go and find out but she never returned. Instead about an hour later another Pahrmacist turned up and asked me the same question ans she also said that she would go and find out about the Clopidogrell. About another hour later she returned and said that she had read the Doctors note and that he did in fact write in the notes that I should take the Clopidogrel for 3 months......why the hell did they not read the notes in the first place in anyones guess but it would have saved at least two hours. On my discharge note someone, I am guessing the first Pharmacist, listed the clopidogrell but this was crossed out and re-entered again at the end of the list in green ink. Again, I am guessing that the second Pharmacist crossed it out without speaking to the first Pharmacist and the read my notes and re-entered it in the lists.

By this time I was really getting angry and asked the nurse who was also present what the "CK and the protoning" test meant. He didn't know and asked the Pharmacist, I know what these test are but because I was fuming by now I just wanted to see if he knew so that I can show him up in front of the Pharmacist. Don't know why I did that really because he didn't look interested or embarassed at all. After the Pharmacist expalined the tests I asked why these tests were not done but none of them gave me an answer. I then said "Now I don't know if I've had a heart attack during the procedure or not", the nurse kept stumm and the Pharmacist, in a very quiet voice stuttered, "The ECG did not show any changes". If that is the case and it is safe to say I didn't have an attack why would the Doctor order these tests in the first place? Useless is too mild a word to describe these nurses/Pharmacists but as it is an open forum I am not allowed to express myself as I really would like to....maybe just as well.

Government cuts or not, no matter what happens we are in for a rough ride in the hands of nurses/Pharmacist like these. To save money, th eones that are going to lose their jobs are the ones with experience and higher wages. The ones left over are the ones on lower wages, less experience and not in the slightest interested in either their jobs or genuinely helping people. All they are interested in is pay day at the end of the month and little else.

On the way home yesterday my stomach pain got worse and spread to the right side of my abdomen, it got so bad today that I had to get an emergency appointment to see my GP.

If we voted the present Government out and Labour in, will they make things better or will they blame this lot and carry on where they left off? Who was the ones that got us in this mess in the first place and started the cuts before Gordon Brown's shamefull resignation? Time for someone who puts the country and the people first but is there such a person alive who will really put this country back on it's feet without bleeding us dry like the present, and past, regime/s did/do? No, I don't think so, they's rather spend billions on wars in other countries and let their own people suffer and die.

God help us all.
 

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Agreed. Alas, these kind of stories are all too common.

Suggest you make a written request for your notes, then make a formal complaint, threatening legal action if necessary. Someone has to be accountable for this appalling level of "care".
 

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There's no point in complaining, it's a closed family and they stick together worse than super-glue. Last time I tried to complain they messed me about for over 1 and a half years, made promises which they never kept, gave me appointments which they always canceled because the Docs were "too busy to meet" and they always want money for copies of documents. Their complaints department is only there to see people off in a most efficient way without giving the patients any chances of getting any explanation never mind an apology. The Doctor blames everything and everyone else at the time and apologised for those but never apologised for his own mistakes and incompetence.

The only way one might, just, get anywhere is by hiring a lawyer, that is if you can find one who is willing to take the NHS on and especially one who will take the case on on Legal Aid bases.

Unless you can afford it, have the good health and years of patience to see it through, we really do not stand a chance in hell.
 

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TigerBao said:
Surely in a not-so-amazing economy it would be better to create more jobs, as more people getting paid means more people buying more to feed the economy and things will balance out? Also more people available to supply healthcare means healthier people with better support and fewer sick days so less money lost...

Am I just being incredibly naive or are they going about this in an incredibly counter productive way?

Unfortunately I think you may be tending towards the naive.
What you are proposing is the strategy that the previous government used to pad out the public services and conceal unemployment.
Unfortunately they had to borrow money to do it and someone now has to pay it all back.

First rule when you are in deep financial trouble (apart from cutting up your credit cards or whatever the government uses instead) is to cut back on everything you can so that expenditure is closer to income. Only hire for vital posts. Cut anything that can be regarded as non-essential.

The second problem (which is tied to the first) is that it is no good whatsoever just to increase the number of people working in an area.
They must be fully qualified for the work, motivated to do it, and the work must directly relate to the service being supplied.
Rumour has it that many PCTs had to accept some staff with less expertise than was really hoped for because of the lack of qualified and motivated staff prepared to work in a PCT at PCT pay scales.

I can understand how this can criple any organisation because I have worked in organisations which tried to expand too fast by just throwing bodies at the job without considering the implications. All that happened was the experienced people were swamped and distracted by the untrained and unskilled additions and ended up producing less than they had before and being demoralised because the unit as a whole had been given a load of unachievable targets. If there is no way you can meet your targets you usually stop trying.

So I am in favour of cuts where they are appropriate, and recruitment of skilled workers where they are needed.
Sounds too simple to be true?

Bear in the mind that the people who make the hire/fire decisions are often bureaucrats and middle managers who have an unfortunate tendency to value people who fill roles that they understand and relate to. So they hire people just like themselves, and increase their empire and the pool of jobs they and their colleagues are qualifid to fill. Management hires and values management.

The other problem is that there probably aren't enough skilled workers anyway.
Has anyone noticed how many HCPs are from Eastern Europe and South Africa?
No disrespect to them, but if the jobs could be filled locally they probably would be.

So there is no easy fix.
Bureaucracy needs to be cut and efficiency increased.
Public services are notoriously hard to streamline because nobody owns the money - it is just paper and computer numbers. No real hard cash.

This is one reason why privatisation is a favourite - give the job to someone who counts every penny because it comes out of his/her own pocket and s/he will soon cut out anyone who is not contributing to that profit.

Too easy again?
Public services should be providing a service, not just a profit for a private individual.
Private firms have too much motivation to cut out everything they can.

O.K. - I have now convinced myself we are all doomed.
And to think I used to be merely cynical!

Oh, diabetes.........I'm sure that figured in all this somewhere.....

Yeah. The Health Service (along with many other public bodies) is going to have a really rough few years.
Diabetics need good, well funded health care.
So we diabetics are particularly doomed. :shock:

Cheers

LGC
 

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I think most of the people don't have a proper awareness about the rules and regulation in the country.So i think if you hire any lawyer that will help you more according to your state laws and also give you best advice that what to do under any certain situation.