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Cautionary tale - just a little bit should be fine.....

Not worth a new thread but still a cautionary tale! Last night I tried a small portion of starch resistant wholegrain rice with my homemade curry. Cooked the rice early morning cooled and stored in fridge until reheating at supper time. BG didnt jump too dramatically after 2 hours but this morning 8.2. Rice is now off my plate forever.
 
Well you motivated me to do some testing. I have not monitored BG for about 6 months other than quarterly hba1c tests as the last monitoring I did had me mostly a flat line all the time except for mornings. I had a libre sitting around I put on a couple days ago as I have been eating and drinking some things on occasion I wasn’t so sure about. I wanted to know what impact a ‘bad’ meal once a month, some beer on occasion, and the odd ice cream had on me as they didn’t do much to my hba1c.

So last night I had half a pizza and a few low carb beers. They put bbq sauce on it by mistake so more sugar then I had planned. I was at 5.5 before and shocked to see 5.2 two hours later. The highest I got up to was about 7 around an hour in. BG kept dropping and was about 4 all night until I woke up and is now at 5 an hour after lunch which was a big caesar salad with a bunch of avocado and chicken.

I’m a bit shocked/surprised by the results to be honest. I did lose about 12kgs which I was mostly carrying in my belly so not sure if that has made the difference or it is just my pancreas managed so save up a bit of insulin and deal with this. I will do some more testing (good craft beer soon, can’t wait for that!) but am actually a bit nervous about this. I’m happy I can do the odd things with less concern but don’t want to make it a habit.
 
L'l Grey,

Bone density changes with age

Waist sizes changes with the number of pregnancies you endure

There is a differential between bone size male female as % which is why a local hospital has a "Women's Imaging Center" where bone density and dexascans are done on account of the low number of men needing these exams. I.e. guys go there too, with embarrassment

:-)
"Women's Imaging Center" makes it sound like a fashion makeover.
 
I was massively overweight at 20, about three stone more than I am now at 43. Should I aim for that? :D
I read recently it was whatever you were before puberty not 20.
Hormones kick in and set your metabolism.
Hormones.... again.
 
I read recently it was whatever you were before puberty not 20.
Hormones kick in and set your metabolism.
Hormones.... again.

Before puberty?

So for me somewhere about 5'6" tall and seven stone? I'm guessing here, but men grow a lot during and after puberty and generally get to full adult size around 20. I assume the idea is to aim for the point where you stopped growing upwards but before you started growing outwards.

Remember the poor Russian gymnasts who had their puberty artificially prevented so that they could compete without the problems of all the charming curves that puberty adds to women. I don't think you are expected to go back to no bust and no hips. Apart from anything else (Googled to check my memory) in women puberty involves the widening of the hips which must add to the overall weight of the skeleton apart from anything else.
 
I haven't been testing recently, and I have been indulging a little.

For example, I have had the occasional apple and orange, I've pinched a couple of slices of artisan bread from herself to make a cheese toasty (thin bread, thick cheese) and had a few reasonably low carb curries on offer at M&S and Waitrose. Baked beans from time to time (half a tin at 26 grams carbohydrate).

The main culprit I think was the French and Belgian beers from Lidl. As with most Lidl things you get one chance to buy or you wait for 3 months until it comes past again. So there is a rack of lovely tempting beer and one won't do any harm, will it?

Looking it up online a 330 ml bottle of Leffe has 17 grams of carbohydrate, so sharing a 750 ml bottle won't be that bad. A full bottle is about 38.6 grams of carbohydrate. Hmmm....looking a bit more.....

So it looks as though I have probably been having around 100 grams of carbohydrate some days. Still not enough (perhaps) to take me out of fat burning but not ideal.

Anyway, 6 monthly blood test coming up and I noticed that my weight had started climbing over the last couple of weeks. It had been drifting very slowly but I hit between 12 stone 6 and 12 stone 7 when I should be below 12 stone. Hmmm....time to think about this.

Tested my fasting blood glucose and it was 9.5. Bullet resistant coffee and 2.5 hours later it was 9.6.:oops:
Off food and especially booze.
Had a very, very light lunch (visiting friends) and by evening it was back down to 5.6.
Had three small bits of cheddar for tea wrapped in 3 small slices of salami for tea.
Next morning fasting was 6.8 and 2 hours after BRC it was 7.6.:woot:
After a 4 mile walk it had come down to 5.7.
This morning my fasting BG was 5.3.:cool:

More interestingly I had also noticed that my tightest hole on my belt wouldn't buckle any more. On hole -1. So the extra weight seems to have gone straight on my waist. Tested again this morning (belt was with other trousers) and I can fit tightest hole on the belt with a bit to spare. So two days of no booze and virtually no carbohydrates has taken the pod off my waist and taken my BG down as well.

I am going to stick with it for a while to try and get down below the dreaded 12 stone again but I suspect the results from my blood test this Friday will not make happy reading.

According to Professor Roy Taylor who I met recently at a conference the aim for a healthy pancreas should be to be the same weight and waist measurement that you were at 20 (or it could be 21?). Although I can't be certain, for me (going on details up to 17 years old) that should be 11 stone 7 lbs and a trouser waist of 32". Noting that trouser waists tend to be quoted a little lower than your real waist. 34" trousers are a fit with my 35" waist. So this is still my target. Nearest I've got in weight is 11 stone 10 lbs. Noting that if I mention to friends that I need to lose a bit of weight I get the "surely not" response. I don't think I look skinny, but everyone else obviously does.

This is a cautionary tale that if you don't test at least once a month and you become complacent about your weight slowly rising then you could be in for an unpleasant shock. My readings at the beginning of March look fine.

I am still amazed, though, at the speed at which my waist came back down in size in only two days.

The test now is how long I can go with no alcohol and no treats at all. Previously I have found that one week is no problem, but as I get towards the end of week 2 I start to waver, mainly through boredom at not eating very much and not having a nice pint of bitter in the sunshine. Unexpected stress doesn't help, either, as a little drink does have a calming influence. So hope for a month of nice weather and nothing unexpected.:)
Personally I find waist size a little problematic as due to a build up of release of intestinal gases I sometimes have to adjust my belt from the fifth hole to the third hole to the fifth hole all in the course of a single day
 
Before puberty?

So for me somewhere about 5'6" tall and seven stone? I'm guessing here, but men grow a lot during and after puberty and generally get to full adult size around 20. I assume the idea is to aim for the point where you stopped growing upwards but before you started growing outwards.

Remember the poor Russian gymnasts who had their puberty artificially prevented so that they could compete without the problems of all the charming curves that puberty adds to women. I don't think you are expected to go back to no bust and no hips. Apart from anything else (Googled to check my memory) in women puberty involves the widening of the hips which must add to the overall weight of the skeleton apart from anything else.
The diabetes news noted a recent publication of a all boy study.. so we girls have to guess, I suppose.

I was approx 20st at 12-13yrs old so I'm less than pre puberty weight too.
There may be something in it as at 15st I did IVF. With help of slimming tablets. I was desperate to have a baby. Still infertile then thou.
 
Not worth a new thread but still a cautionary tale! Last night I tried a small portion of starch resistant wholegrain rice with my homemade curry. Cooked the rice early morning cooled and stored in fridge until reheating at supper time. BG didnt jump too dramatically after 2 hours but this morning 8.2. Rice is now off my plate forever.
Depending how much you want to be able to include rice in your diet, Id suggest a slightly different approach to testing before concluding that the rice is responsible for the higher fasting blood sugars. Testing it with curry means you cannot tell what effect on your FBG is due to the rice, what is due to the combination, and what has nothing to do with either
I have also been testing out the resistant starch issue with wholegrain rice and have been using 1/2 a pouch this as the test item ( partly out of laziness, partly for portion control
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/gb/groceries/tilda-brown-basmati-garden-vegetable---quinoa-wholegrain-rice-250g?
I first tested it reheated on its own, then fried with oil and wheat free soy sauce, then a third time with the addition of an egg to make egg fried rice
Each version had BG tested at 1/2 hourly intervals for 3 hours and all produced a maximum of a 1 mmol increase, despite being nearly 30g carbs - an amount that would normally send my sugars ballistic if eaten at a single sitting and which is closer to my normal daily limit None produced any rise in fasting blood sugars - if anything the reverse.
My next plan is to test the brown basmati ( apparently basmati is better than long / short grain in resistant starch terms) in the same sequential manner
 
Depending how much you want to be able to include rice in your diet, Id suggest a slightly different approach to testing before concluding that the rice is responsible for the higher fasting blood sugars. Testing it with curry means you cannot tell what effect on your FBG is due to the rice, what is due to the combination, and what has nothing to do with either
I have also been testing out the resistant starch issue with wholegrain rice and have been using 1/2 a pouch this as the test item ( partly out of laziness, partly for portion control
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/gb/groceries/tilda-brown-basmati-garden-vegetable---quinoa-wholegrain-rice-250g?
I first tested it reheated on its own, then fried with oil and wheat free soy sauce, then a third time with the addition of an egg to make egg fried rice
Each version had BG tested at 1/2 hourly intervals for 3 hours and all produced a maximum of a 1 mmol increase, despite being nearly 30g carbs - an amount that would normally send my sugars ballistic if eaten at a single sitting and which is closer to my normal daily limit None produced any rise in fasting blood sugars - if anything the reverse.
My next plan is to test the brown basmati ( apparently basmati is better than long / short grain in resistant starch terms) in the same sequential manner
Thanks Boo that is all really helpful. I make my own curries from scratch so am confident that isnt the culprit. I was out of cauli rice which I am usually happy to have with curry. I love the idea or egg fried rice though with lots of veg. So I will experiment with frying some from a pouch before I write it off the menu completely.
 
Thanks Boo that is all really helpful. I make my own curries from scratch so am confident that isnt the culprit. I was out of cauli rice which I am usually happy to have with curry. I love the idea or egg fried rice though with lots of veg. So I will experiment with frying some from a pouch before I write it off the menu completely.
Konjac rice makes pretty good egg fried rice, I was quite surprised!
 
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