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Cholesterol: cue the violins

SJC said:
It's beginning to be more evident that sugar 'feeds' cancer too!
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It's been known for quite a long time that one of the common abnormalities of cancer cells is loss/disabling of mitochondria. Which means their only available respiratory pathways are the conversion of sugars to pyruvate or lactate. Also making then one of the very few human cell types which actually require sugars.
 
Heathenlass said:
Has anyone else tried taking plant sterol tablets as an alternative to statins or Benecol type products ? I did, purely as an experiment to see if they did make any difference to cholesterol following the GP's insistence that mine was higher than it should be (but still within "normal" parameters )
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The problem with plant steroids is that they are chemically similar enough to be mistaken for cholesterol. But mean that the cell or lipoprotein using them is more likely to fail. If anything this is going to increase your CVD risk.

and that I SHOULD continue with statins despite horrific side effects which they seem to believe were all in my mind anyway. :rolleyes: For me, they did work, but having established that they did and showed the GP that my hippy ways worked, I stopped as I'm not at all convinced that my cholesterol needed adjusting in the first place.
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Even if they do need adjusting it need not be downwards.

Since you are a woman there appear to be no possible health benefits to taking satins in the first place.
 
mpe said:
Since you are a woman there appear to be no possible health benefits to taking satins in the first place.
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Why? I am female and aged 66. Statins are prescribed for me, but I have stopped taking them. I could do with an easy to understand reason to give my GP!
 
l was furious l booked holiday ins and the fact l refuse statins counts against me even though l spent ages exlaining about how cholestrol works my numbers the nhs lying etc.
They were totaly lost and end result...the book says.
The fact l am t2 is imaterial the fact l refuse statins OMG !

Quite frankly l could die/be injured in a car accident instead l take what precautions l can and still drive.
lt is called life you do what you can and live. My hub passed doing what he loved doing his family (brother) hate me for not stopping him well l dont regret not stopping him it was where he felt alive had his friends and was respected. And it was his friends who have stood by me not his brother who l have spoken too about 3x since his funeral and never since around 2011.

l lchf l am not going on statins and if l have a stroke (my dr insisted would be stroke not heart attack) well so be it who is to say l wouldnt have had it on statins.

l am cutting down on cream as going off coffee still have my berries n cream though
Cheese once a day about 60 gram
Hellmans 1 to 2 portions
No butter as no bread
Eat meat not much fish
 
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My mum had hardening of the arteries for quite a few years before she died of cancer. She was an extremely active woman who always worked and cycled/walked for miles. She loved her butter and cream though.

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noblehead said:
I can beat that, on a Friday night we sometimes make a home-made curry and I make my own garlic butter to make garlic bread, I use two bulbs to make it nice and garlicky :)

I don't know if you have a Lidl near you but they sell garlic in a basket of about 12 bulbs, the bulbs are unusual as they peel just like an onion and don't have the individual cloves like normal garlic does, it makes it much easier for chopping or grating.
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Droool! Does anybody have a granddad with an odd work sock or two?
 
carty said:
I love the lidl garlic I think it is a Chinese variety but not sure We roast the bulbs whole on the BBQ and it tastes like garlicy toffee I havnt tried roasting in the oven but it should work in the same way ,and I have never seen a vampire ;)
CAROL
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Right, I have to stop reading this as I am coating the ipad in saliva now!
 
AnnieC said:
I find that a lot with Lidl they will have something for weeks then don't have it again. I used to get my celeriac there but have not been able to get it there for over a month now...did get the garlic though
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Pleased you found the garlic Annie. I don't know about the celeriac as I've only ever once bought it, Morrisons seem to stock it on a regular basis so try there.
 
I am concerned that as a statin taker I am regarded as a second class diabetic somehow betraying the rest. We already have enough of the type 2 bashing from the popular media.
My regime of Newcastle diet, low carb, metformin and statins, exercise has worked for me. I don't like taking medication, but will not be stigmatised because I do.
 
Pipp said:
I am concerned that as a statin taker I am regarded as a second class diabetic somehow betraying the rest. We already have enough of the type 2 bashing from the popular media.
My regime of Newcastle diet, low carb, metformin and statins, exercise has worked for me. I don't like taking medication, but will not be stigmatised because I do.
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There's no such thing as a second class diabetic so don't worry :)

Just ignore any negative media reports, there are 3.2 million people in the UK with diabetes and 90% of them are type 2, it is thought that another 600,000 people are walking around who have yet to be diagnosed with type 2, the media do have a habit of getting things terribly wrong.
 
noblehead said:
There's no such thing as a second class diabetic so don't worry :)

Just ignore any negative media reports, there are 3.2 million people in the UK with diabetes and 90% of them are type 2, it is thought that another 600,000 people are walking around who have yet to be diagnosed with type 2, the media do have a habit of getting things terribly wrong.
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Thanks noblehead. It is not the media I worry about. Just some of the posts on forum.
We all have our methods of controlling our diabetes, but not everything works the same way for each of us. We need to find our way, but recognise that our own way is not the only way, and respect that others could have found the solution for themselves that is totally the opposite to one's own but no less valid.
 
Pipp said:
Thanks noblehead. It is not the media I worry about. Just some of the posts on forum.
We all have our methods of controlling our diabetes, but not everything works the same way for each of us. We need to find our way, but recognise that our own way is not the only way, and respect that others could have found the solution for themselves that is totally the opposite to one's own but no less valid.
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I couldn't put it any better myself Pipp :)
 
Pipp said:
I am concerned that as a statin taker I am regarded as a second class diabetic somehow betraying the rest. We already have enough of the type 2 bashing from the popular media.
My regime of Newcastle diet, low carb, metformin and statins, exercise has worked for me. I don't like taking medication, but will not be stigmatised because I do.
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Well said. Some people have terrible reactions and no benefits. Other people have no bad reactions and clear benefits. I think there is reason for caution but we shouldn't be telling each other scare stories, telling each other what to do, and definitely not being critical of each other's informed and considered choices.

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Pipp said:
Thanks noblehead. It is not the media I worry about. Just some of the posts on forum.
We all have our methods of controlling our diabetes, but not everything works the same way for each of us. We need to find our way, but recognise that our own way is not the only way, and respect that others could have found the solution for themselves that is totally the opposite to one's own but no less valid.
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I would give you 20 likes for this post Pipp if I could.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
Why? I am female and aged 66. Statins are prescribed for me, but I have stopped taking them. I could do with an easy to understand reason to give my GP!
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If you go to ZoeHarcombe.com she has written a number of articles quoting studies and google Dr Malcom Kendrick. He has written a book on I think 'The great cholesterol con' he also has a website again quoting studies.

Hope this helps.


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Pipp said:
Thanks noblehead. It is not the media I worry about. Just some of the posts on forum.
We all have our methods of controlling our diabetes, but not everything works the same way for each of us. We need to find our way, but recognise that our own way is not the only way, and respect that others could have found the solution for themselves that is totally the opposite to one's own but no less valid.
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When I first joined this site, I honestly thought it was a site that only seemed to deal with LCHF diet. I even wondered if someone on here actually had some kind of tie in with another website that advocates LCHF.
 
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