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ken.mctighe

Newbie
Messages
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Location
Lancashire
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
Not being motivated
I've been diagnosed now for just three months with type two. My readings were over 24%. Went onto full dosage of Metaphrum, now for two weeks now suffering with chronic stomach cramps and pains occasional in my chest. Stopped meds; levels dropped to around 13%. However it keeps jumping intermittently up to 17% and today 19% on some alternative days. Have cut out loads of sugar from my daily habits; Really struggling in knowing what the future holds? Have to wait three months before seeing dietician; my symptoms I have inherited; BMI okay; diet okay, maybe there could be some modifications? I'm not alone, but seem to be struggling in just letting go and feeling stronger about this. I think or believe its manageable? Seeing nurse at doctors this Thursday hopefully get some answers? Eyesight maybe just coincidence is all over the place too; Sometimes think I'm becoming a bit over sensitive? Anyway sorry for the rambling, is this normal?
 
Hi and welcome.

Im not sure what you mean by % ?
Are you meaning blood glucose units of mmol/l ?

It may help to know that if blood glucose fluctuates a lot, it can make the vision blurry. Don't worry, as you get your blood glucose under control, your eyes should settle down too.

Have you been given any dietary advice?
 
Hi
Welcome to the forum.
I've tagged @daisy1 to give you the newcomers welcome information.
Have a read of the great information, that she gives you and read the low carb forum.
Anything that you want to ask, please do.
Some great knowledgeable people on here.
 
Hi and welcome.

Im not sure what you mean by % ?
Are you meaning blood glucose units of mmol/l ?

It may help to know that if blood glucose fluctuates a lot, it can make the vision blurry. Don't worry, as you get your blood glucose under control, your eyes should settle down too.

Have you been given any dietary advice?
Thank you for your reply. Yes blood glucose units. No to the dietary advice, have to wait till November. How long will it take to get blood glucose under control? a) with meds b) without meds

Thanks again for response, Ken
 
Hi Ken,
You don't have to wait, to start doing something as early as tomorrow, by first trying by diet.
Food is something that we all eat, but it depends on what we eat, to give us control, the low carb forum will give you ideas and recipes and clue you in to how most of us have successfully lost weight and gained control by changing our eating habits.

And it really works!

The length is not important, because once you have control your eating habits can alter to suit you as long as you don't revert to the food that has put you where you are now! Carbs and sugars are the baddies, reduce these and you are starting to get your control.
It is a marathon not a sprint.
 
Thank you for your reply. Yes blood glucose units. No to the dietary advice, have to wait till November. How long will it take to get blood glucose under control? a) with meds b) without meds

Thanks again for response, Ken
There is lots of good info on the forums about what to eat and not eat. Probably more helpful that the advice you may get in November, which I'm betting will be to eat according to the Eatwell Plate (lots of carbs at every meal).

No one can say for sure how long it would take to get BG under control because everyone is different. But I have seen quite a few people post on the forum that they made really good progress in 3 months and had reached their goal by 6 months (without meds). To do that you would need to read about what to eat, test your BGs according to the recommended methods, and plan your meals carefully. Increasing your exercise where possible will help too.

I have stayed on meds despite achieving my goal because I believe they are helping me. It's a personal decision though, plenty go med-free and plenty use meds. It depends on your situation and what you decide after discussing it with your doctor or nurse.
 
Hi. As CatLadyNZ says the advice for diet on this forum will probably be a lot more helpful than the advice from a dietician. Be prepared to run if the dietician talks about having carbs with every meal or mentions the EatWell Plate or says have low-fat stuff. Dietary advice that suits most of us is very simple i.e. keep the carbs down and have enough proteins, fats and veg to keep you feeling full. It's as simple as that. BTW if the bowel problems continue with Metformin, do ask the doc for the Slow Release (SR) version.
 
@ken.mctighe

Hello Ken and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and this should help you with your diet and levels. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
@ken.mctighe

Hello Ken and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and this should help you with your diet and levels. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Thank you very much for this very helpful support; Ken
 
There is lots of good info on the forums about what to eat and not eat. Probably more helpful that the advice you may get in November, which I'm betting will be to eat according to the Eatwell Plate (lots of carbs at every meal).

No one can say for sure how long it would take to get BG under control because everyone is different. But I have seen quite a few people post on the forum that they made really good progress in 3 months and had reached their goal by 6 months (without meds). To do that you would need to read about what to eat, test your BGs according to the recommended methods, and plan your meals carefully. Increasing your exercise where possible will help too.

I have stayed on meds despite achieving my goal because I believe they are helping me. It's a personal decision though, plenty go med-free and plenty use meds. It depends on your situation and what you decide after discussing it with your doctor or nurse.

Thank you very much; I will endeavour to spend more time on this forum to consider the varied effects this has, and hopefully at some point sort out my diet. I'm not overweight, and seem to have a reasonable diet. I have already cut out cakes, biscuits (except Rich Tea) chocolate bars. Most days I have either vegetables or pasta, casseroles chops and chicken. Sandwiches are always on wholemeal bread, which seems to all be good foods? Exercise wise I do an average of at least 7,000 steps a day, no alcohol; hence why I am concerned of having the right life style but dealing with this diabetes? Thanks again for your support and advice; Ken
 
Thank you very much; I will endeavour to spend more time on this forum to consider the varied effects this has, and hopefully at some point sort out my diet. I'm not overweight, and seem to have a reasonable diet. I have already cut out cakes, biscuits (except Rich Tea) chocolate bars. Most days I have either vegetables or pasta, casseroles chops and chicken. Sandwiches are always on wholemeal bread, which seems to all be good foods? Exercise wise I do an average of at least 7,000 steps a day, no alcohol; hence why I am concerned of having the right life style but dealing with this diabetes? Thanks again for your support and advice; Ken
Pasta and bread are high in carbs and most of us find if we eat them our BGs rise. Its best to do your own testing with carby foods to find out what effect they have on you.
 
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