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That is no longer the case, and hasn't been for many years. I have in the past been prevented from making factual changes to Wikipedia pages.Some excellent posts and a couple of highly illustrative examples made on this thread. Many thanks to all for taking the time to respond.
On the point above about Wikipedia it should be noted that anyone can make changes to a Wikipedia page. When a change is proposed you have to do a bit of digital battle with avid Wikipedia keepers and must prove your edits with references if your edits are contested. If no page exists for Dr. Unwin then, if anyone is inclined to learn about the process, a page may be created. Wikipedia is no more biased than the people who are willing to invest their time in adding to it and maintaining it.
Some excellent posts and a couple of highly illustrative examples made on this thread. Many thanks to all for taking the time to respond.
On the point above about Wikipedia it should be noted that anyone can make changes to a Wikipedia page. When a change is proposed you have to do a bit of digital battle with avid Wikipedia keepers and must prove your edits with references if your edits are contested. If no page exists for Dr. Unwin then, if anyone is inclined to learn about the process, a page may be created. Wikipedia is no more biased than the people who are willing to invest their time in adding to it and maintaining it
I confirm what @KennyA is saying. In my field I've noted that Wikipedia put a stop to a controversy when people started editing a page, and it has removed all reference to public disputes. The page is now totally anodine. So I wasn't surprised not to find pages on some of the more vocal LCHF proponents.That is no longer the case, and hasn't been for many years. I have in the past been prevented from making factual changes to Wikipedia pages.
Wikipaedia still claims anyone can post there, but this is true only up to a point. Wikipedia now insists you comply with their rules and ethos - this includes:
All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing significant views fairly, proportionately and without bias.
Wikipedia of course gets to say what's neutral, what's significant, what's proportionate, and what is bias.
Sounds like a pretty good ethos to me. Written in language that does not sway the reader toward any particular competing viewpoint, includes references to all competing viewpoints, and does not favour one viewpoint over another via the quantity or quality of swaying statements or references. The people who decide that are almost entirely volunteers interested in specific topics. There are over 6.7 million pages on Wikipedia written in English. Wikipedia staff only tend get involved with a small minority of pages written about highly controversial matters. Sure, if you want to edit the page about Donald Trump for example you'll run into the paid Wikipedia edit police, but absolutely nothing would stop you writing a balanced page about Dr. Unwin for example.Wikipaedia still claims anyone can post there, but this is true only up to a point. Wikipedia now insists you comply with their rules and ethos - this includes:
All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing significant views fairly, proportionately and without bias.
Wikipedia of course gets to say what's neutral, what's significant, what's proportionate, and what is bias.
I think this totally misses the point. You will not find a page about David Unwin on Wikipedia. Can you think why?Sounds like a pretty good ethos to me. Written in language that does not sway the reader toward any particular competing viewpoint, includes references to all competing viewpoints, and does not favour one viewpoint over another via the quantity or quality of swaying statements or references. The people who decide that are almost entirely volunteers interested in specific topics. There are over 6.7 million pages on Wikipedia written in English. Wikipedia staff only tend get involved with a small minority of pages written about highly controversial matters. Sure, if you want to edit the page about Donald Trump for example you'll run into the paid Wikipedia edit police, but absolutely nothing would stop you writing a balanced page about Dr. Unwin for example.
Yes, I can think why. I will not find a page about Dr. Unwin on Wikipedia because nobody has taken the time to create one.I think this totally misses the point. You will not find a page about David Unwin on Wikipedia. Can you think why?
Mine neither, in fact they actively encourage itLow carb isn't frowned upon by my GP surgery anymore. I was given a great leaflet about it at my last diabetic review.
Was the leaflet something they had composed themselves, or had bought in?Low carb isn't frowned upon by my GP surgery anymore. I was given a great leaflet about it at my last diabetic review.
You seem keen yourself?Good points - it seems like that Wikipedia page could do with an update. Any volunteers?
It was a print-out comprising 4 pages. One with colour pictures of what to eat and what not to eat. I gave the original to my daughter-in -law, unfortunately I can't find my photocopy now. I don't remember any mention of any organisation though.Was the leaflet something they had composed themselves, or had bought in?
Was the leaflet something they had composed themselves, or had bought in?
Thanks. No worries.It was a print-out comprising 4 pages. One with colour pictures of what to eat and what not to eat. I gave the original to my daughter-in -law, unfortunately I can't find my photocopy now. I don't remember any mention of any organisation though.
Mediterranean is a style, but fish isn’t mandatory. My OH has significant issues with fish too, although much more so with crustaceansMine was a self composed letter for all newly diagnosed.
From the head GP, some useful links to DVLA and info on meds for driving.
A quick explanation of reversal and a link to the
Fast 800 diet, Dr Mosley
Also a link to The Mediterranean Diet if I remember correctly.
Didn’t fancy the crash type 800 diet, as I wanted long term solution.
And the Mediterranean was a no no as my partner is violently allergic to fish!
But the GP’s letter had sowed the seeds of reversal and hallelujah I found this forum and low carb was adopted.
87 to 38 after 3 months(with meds)
38 to 40 after 3 months with no meds
40 to 37 after another 3 months no meds.
Also have to say my DN has been very supportive and happy to let me do my thing.
Only thing she raised her eyebrows at was me not cutting my fat off my bacon!
Let’s hope all GP practises sow the seeds.
Nope, I'm biasedYou seem keen yourself?
Nobody noticedNope, I'm biased
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