I had better take your advice. What M**** and en dow 2 do is best not discussed in polite company. Humph

Still, at my age, no point me concerning myself about it. I think it is time to come to terms with the fact "they" are all liars and we are all part of some experimential trial. With that thought I will go and broach the young lottie neighbour who heard us oldies discussing the likelihood of anyone under 55 getting a state pens....... no lets not go there.