Conflicting Ideologies

[Mbaker]

But what irks is that Diabetes UK is not shifting its viewpoint. There is so much anecdotal evidence that LCHF can facilitate T2 remission that I am amazed that DUK has not started a similar programme to that on this site.

You may recall that a couple of months ago there was a BBC presentation wherein Professor Ron Taylor of Newcastle University placed 11 patients on 600 calories a day for two months... and three months later 7 remained free of diabetes. This study was funded by Diabetes UK.

The results were hailed as a radical change in understanding T2 diabetes, but were totally predictable. Most of the participants lost a considerable amount of weight and their blood sugars plummeted. Surprise! Surprise!

I appreciate that I sound like an LCHF evangelist but it is surely unreasonable to suggest that people can adopt a long term diet based on 600 calories of liquid. Unless of course the implication is that two months on such a diet places T2 into permanent remission which is clearly b*******s.

Nothing wrong with being a LCHF evangelist whatsoever.

 

[Mbaker]

ND was never touted as being long term. The misgivings I have about ND are the re feeding aspects, I have heard that a diet lower in carbs should follow the initial phase but I have also heard that eating two thirds the amount of food that one was eating before embarking on the programme (no macros mentioned) for the rest of one's life would/should keep you in remission. I'm unsure about this because two thirds of food says two thirds of satiety to me. And it smacks of 'eat less move more' which hasn't worked in the past so why would it work simply because it is presented on headed paper?

A third less food, would be a disaster from my perspective. My wife made a lovely salmon and roasted veg dinner today, which I expanded with a further 4 pork spare ribs and 2 keto muffins - no requirement for calorie counting.

 

[Guzzler]

A third less food, would be a disaster from my perspective. My wife made a lovely salmon and roasted veg dinner today, which I expanded with a further 4 pork spare ribs and 2 keto muffins - no requirement for calorie counting.

I'm with you apart from the fish. Would it be a bit much to have a steak and the ribs? Nah!

 

[Mbaker]

I'm with you apart from the fish. Would it be a bit much to have a steak and the ribs? Nah!

Seems we are kindred spirits. On a recent trip to Abu Dhabi I could not make my mind up between the Steak and Ribs, so …..got both


Little plug for SoHo restaurant

 

[JohnEGreen]

Seems we are kindred spirits. On a recent trip to Abu Dhabi I could not make my mind up between the Steak and Ribs, so …..got both

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Little plug for SoHo restaurant

My grandson would eat that as his midnight snack every night if he could except for the green stuff too many carbs for him.

 

[kitedoc]

Whilst I agree, this appears not to be a great message to spout, please remember not everyone with diabetes has type 2.
Unfortunately, someone with type 1 is very very very very unlikely to put "their condition into remission".
And many people with type 1 are able to manage their condition without eating a low carb diet.

Thank you @helensaramay, for putting some balance into the discussion. Similarly one needs to careful regarding diet in diabetic children and diabetic pregnant women.
But .... in populations with low carb food intake such as in Eskimos, children and pregnant mothers have fared well for 'some many' generations.
Regarding health professional education, adoption of new practices and results of research take years sometimes to be accepted. And in Australia at least, if a health professional takes up new innovative practices based on sound research, he or she is often regarded by peers as a tall poppy and cut down, unless they have medico- or other professional-political backing. (See Gary Fettke (doctor) and Jennifer Ellison (dietitian) - low carb promoters, deregistered , Fettke on reprieve.)
Not sure if the same happens in engineering but I think most professions have a conservative base which slows progress and has a subculture of closing ranks against outside influence, criticism and reform.

 

[kitedoc]

But isn't that a very very recent change.. and when you say "endorses" does it really or just doesn't say it will kill you? Genuine question I'm not so au fait with the Aussie guidelines..

Yes, @bulkbiker, it is a recent change, but ahead of any medical or dietary authorities. It is endorsed as an option for T2D at this stage. (still trying to sort out if they also endorse it for pre-diabetes).

 

[JAT1]

I was advised that 50% of what I eat should be starch, which I quickly realized was not working at all for me. I went "lower" carb and higher protein and fat. I'm not a total low carb as I usually eat 100 to 150 carbs a day but it's all from veggies and some fruit. I use fruit to prevent hypos. If you "follow the money", it's apparent that the big winners behind high carb diets are big-food, big-pharma and the doctors who don't want to get sued.

 

[bulkbiker]

Yes, @bulkbiker, it is a recent change, but ahead of any medical or dietary authorities. It is endorsed as an option for T2D at this stage. (still trying to sort out if they also endorse it for pre-diabetes).

I checked out their site and to be honest I couldn't find a single endorsement just the usual eat carbs dietary advice so its either tucked away really well or they are still not endorsing it...

 

[pixie1]

Diabetes UK have been popping up on my Facebook page, promoting healthy eating.
Low fat yogurt and fruit. High carb tropical fruit, starch carbs and grains for T2.
Someone commented on about plant based diet and that fats caused insulin intolerance. I'm going to one of their local meets, the speaker is a leading dietien. Should be interesting to see what she has to say.