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Confused about conflicting advice

myths

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Just as I was thinking the NHS were coming round to the idea that the LCHF diet was perhaps the way forward for T2, which diet I have been largely following for the past 15 months, I’ve just read the two page spread in the Daily Express about cutting sugar being the key to beating the disease.

All very sensible and obvious advice except one small half paragraph towards the end of the article which reads:
‘The NHS Eatwell guide says meals should be based around potatoes, bread, rice, pasta or other starchy carbs, with low-fat dairy and unsaturated oils and spreads’

Surely this is the total opposite to the LCHF diet which advocates avoiding these foods? Now totally confused once more..
 
The NHS Eatwell guide says meals should be based around potatoes, bread, rice, pasta or other starchy carbs, with low-fat dairy and unsaturated oils and spreads’
Journalists like a simple message that can be condensed into a headline, never mind that the detail is all wrong.
 
Just as I was thinking the NHS were coming round to the idea that the LCHF diet was perhaps the way forward for T2, which diet I have been largely following for the past 15 months, I’ve just read the two page spread in the Daily Express about cutting sugar being the key to beating the disease.

All very sensible and obvious advice except one small half paragraph towards the end of the article which reads:
‘The NHS Eatwell guide says meals should be based around potatoes, bread, rice, pasta or other starchy carbs, with low-fat dairy and unsaturated oils and spreads’

Surely this is the total opposite to the LCHF diet which advocates avoiding these foods? Now totally confused once more..

Take no notice. We all known the Eatwell Plate is bordering on dangerous for T2s, and everyone else.. Eating meals based round all those starchy foods is not good for anyone, and especially those with an intolerance to carbs, such as T2 diabetics.
 
Most doctors will tell you that Type 2 is a chronic progressive disease and that those with it will likely end up on insulin.
If you follow the NHS Eatwell Guide, and most doctors would still advocate it, then that is most likely what will happen.
Why do you think Type 2 is described as an epidemic? Partly because NHS advice on what to eat is simply wrong.
 
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Agree with all of the above. Don't be confused @myths - stick with what you are doing. There IS a change underway but it's desperately slow and the acorns are very small. But hopefully we will eventually get mighty oaks. The Daily Express is given to, um, interestingly imaginative journalism too (it's always the end of the world weather-wise) so just ignore it!
 
So Daily Express said cutting sugar eating stops people developing Type2 diabetes or sugar eating if refrained/reduced can stop type2 progressing?

I may have to read it to see why 2 pages are needed to say one or the other.
 
Now totally confused once more..

That Daily Express article is probably the biggest load of old rubbish I've seen since they last tried to report on a medical matter.

If you've been following a LCHF diet for 15 months then you will be well aware of the beneficial effects for you. So there's no need to be confused, you have your own experience, you are the one that matters, you are the one (like a lot of us) who has seen the benefits of lowering carbs.

The Daily Express article is just a load of old $%£"!&), there should be a law against it.
 
My dear old dad told me many moons ago don't believe all you read in the news papers and the passing years have shown me he was absolutely correct,
 
Seriously guys the journalists were only keeping to the advice given by the BDA dieticians who of course are wanting to be in lockstep with the factory food lobby because it can be very helpful keeping on the right side of big food! :)
 
I guess the good thing is due to the diabetes 'epidemic', there's more attention. And more attention being drawn to the EU/NHS diet advice being potentially harmful.

There's a very simple demonstration that Aseem Malhotra and others have used in presentations, ie an image comparing grass fed meat with grain/high carb feed. One's lean, the other is fat. Yet the official advice is still 60% carbs, until that advice can be updated. But for LCHF diets, that's an uphill battle given:-

https://efsa.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.2903/sp.efsa.2017.e15121

Intervention studies provide evidence that high fat (>35%), low carbohydrate (<50%) diets are associated to adverse short- and long-term effects on body weight, although data are not sufficient to define a Lower Threshold of Intake (LTI) for carbohydrates.

That's from the European Food Safety Authority. I can't find the studies they claim show adverse effects, or how serious those effects may be.. Other than weight loss and a safer BG level.
 
Seriously guys the journalists were only keeping to the advice given by the BDA dieticians who of course are wanting to be in lockstep with the factory food lobby because it can be very helpful keeping on the right side of big food! :)
Yup. BDA diet advice is bonkers which is why people should avoid NHS dieticians.
 
"Seriously guys the journalists were only keeping to the advice given by the BDA dieticians"

And as we all know journalists are incapable of critical thought and just accept what they are told.
 
"Seriously guys the journalists were only keeping to the advice given by the BDA dieticians"

And as we all know journalists are incapable of critical thought and just accept what they are told.
Sadly, that is often the case, with few exceptions.
 
Couple of things not right here:
Daily Express - only interested in flogging papers rather than news.
Telling folk to cut sugars and then adding a list of yummy, sugar laden stuff, in differing forms, to put on your plate; potatoes, bread, rice, pasta or other starchy carbs, with low-fat dairy and unsaturated oils and spreads.

Perhaps this is why I don’t read newspapers. Just saying :)
 
Food politics journalists like Nina Techolz (Big Fat Surprise) and Gary Taubes have done a cracking job of exposing the bad science behind the current US dietary guidelines which have become a global orthodoxy in Public Health.
For a review of the 'science' behind our own dear Eatwell plate see Zoe Harcombe:
http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2016/03/eatwell-guide/
But the Eatwell is the orthodox view but at least it is being challenged now by the likes of Aseem Malhotra and the Real Food brigade (Jamie Oliver, Hugh FW).
In the meantime we should use the knowledge that is out there and not wait to be told what to do by our doctors. Be your own experiment but be prepared to be challenged by the orthodox views. And irritated by the popular press! In my opinion the Express, Mail and Sun have an audience and know what that audience wants to hear and that isn't going to be anything too radical diet-wise that would contradict what they'll hear from their doctor.
 
Just as I was thinking the NHS were coming round to the idea that the LCHF diet was perhaps the way forward for T2, which diet I have been largely following for the past 15 months, I’ve just read the two page spread in the Daily Express about cutting sugar being the key to beating the disease.

All very sensible and obvious advice except one small half paragraph towards the end of the article which reads:
‘The NHS Eatwell guide says meals should be based around potatoes, bread, rice, pasta or other starchy carbs, with low-fat dairy and unsaturated oils and spreads’

Surely this is the total opposite to the LCHF diet which advocates avoiding these foods? Now totally confused once more..
Absolutely, as you state "total opposite", of LCHF and also low carb eating recommendation plans also, I have followed recommendations OF NOT TO EAT bread, rice pasta, potatoes, by not eating these have without doubt contributed greatly if not 100% to my non diabetic range levels along with Low Carb. This surely must be an error to have indicated / on NHS eatwell guide meals to be based around potatoes, bread rice pasta, is concerning recommendations if it is not an error? If it has been passed and correct, then the persons who are responsible, should be updated on what to recommend public generally regards foods to eat if diabetic 2 or have insulin issues, as this situation is quite appalling and deplorable, its only common sense, that such foods potatoes, pasta rice, bread are the worst offenders regards sugars. I am bewildered and shocked that this seemingly has been stipulated in an article.

Someone should raise awareness to them regards this article to save people following this recommendation?
 
Following on from the above comments about low carb. etc
I have been given so much conflicting advice from " professional diabetic nurses " that I now totally ignore what they say and refer to diabetic doctors.
Listen, think and find out what is right for you.
 
Food politics journalists like Nina Techolz (Big Fat Surprise) and Gary Taubes have done a cracking job of exposing the bad science behind the current US dietary guidelines which have become a global orthodoxy in Public Health.
For a review of the 'science' behind our own dear Eatwell plate see Zoe Harcombe:
http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2016/03/eatwell-guide/
But the Eatwell is the orthodox view but at least it is being challenged now by the likes of Aseem Malhotra and the Real Food brigade (Jamie Oliver, Hugh FW).
In the meantime we should use the knowledge that is out there and not wait to be told what to do by our doctors. Be your own experiment but be prepared to be challenged by the orthodox views. And irritated by the popular press! In my opinion the Express, Mail and Sun have an audience and know what that audience wants to hear and that isn't going to be anything too radical diet-wise that would contradict what they'll hear from their doctor.
Exactly as you state, well said excellent information raising to attention of us all, especially likes of Malhotra and Jamie Oliver input, is my opinion too for what it may be worth, its all about what the audience wants to hear! Doctors are to be respected, same as Doctors should respect the opinions of their patients, that does not mean doctors are 100% correct or the patient, my personal view and stance I take, I "do not work for the Doctor, instead I view with all respect to the medical profession, the Doctors works for me /my body, as I know my body best of all at the end of the day " I listen with respect, yet finally take my own decisions accordingly, ....prime example, my doctor here in spain said, "you can eat your rice Paella on Sunday, just make sure your next course if veggies", wrong advice by my Doctor regards eating rice, I do not put rice into my body as this is a no no regards high carbs, that's why the Doctors works for me, I informed him, I do not agree with your recommendation to eat Rice Paella, as a patient I do not feel your recommendation is correct, surely to keep low carb, I should be eating steamed salmon, or grilled steak with vegetables.......my Doctor had no words of reply to my question and comments......speaks volumes that its not always wise to trust the recommendations of others and "not wait to be told what to do by our Doctors", use the gained knowledge we hold as a great tool is a pragmatic approach and experiment, listen, but.....?
 
Couple of things not right here:
Daily Express - only interested in flogging papers rather than news.
Telling folk to cut sugars and then adding a list of yummy, sugar laden stuff, in differing forms, to put on your plate; potatoes, bread, rice, pasta or other starchy carbs, with low-fat dairy and unsaturated oils and spreads.

Perhaps this is why I don’t read newspapers. Just saying :)
Well done and well said, how right you are, and my question personally is, it seems the diabetes Industry overall, are reluctant, to acknowledge wonderful success stories, newspapers included, about low carb eating, change of lifestyle, exercising and intermittent situations, why, that will mean less business for the diabetes world overall, its always bad news negative news that sells newspapers more and that has been the case for many years, items for business, medications, arm bands, pens, lancets, gadgets, monitors,books, you name it the list goes on, such items may not be required as much, when levels are controlled, when a simple lifestyle change can assist in reversing numbers for many depending on their individual situations, yes or No is the question? I was always under the impression any good valuable doctor who is interested and treating any patient regards Diabetes, surely, should be welcoming all or any new information methods to add to his profile of knowledge books, and more so, excited to gain more knowledge, from success story patients, whether the patient, has lost weight, due to motivation change, lowered numbers, including A1C, not testing so frequently as numbers consistently low due to diet change etc., how many times has one heard from person you know, or friend who has insulin issues, or read ones Doctor jumped up and down with delight for the patient at such success results, non that I know of, instead there is always what seems an excuse from what people I know who have informed, Oh, this wont last forever, you will finally need medication, oh, seems the change has made a difference, oh yes, your levels are lower, where is the "well done, this is excellent news, and your method and change of lifestyle, I would like to use an a prime example case of my patient if I may, for my file records..........????? not one person I know has had such a congratulation result from their Doctor, its always on the negative side rather than positive well done...why, diabetes falls under political business situation, but then that's just my personal opinion from experience, I may be wrong, that's the message I hear and see.....incredible to think potatoes, rice pasta and other starchy carbs, are recommended openly is beyond belief for whatever purposes. I can tell you I jumped up and down in my Doctors office at my 5% a1c reading, my Doctor had no choice to get motivated also, by jumping up and down,. threw his arms wide open to congratulate, and said he was blown away, I view myself as one of the lucky ones, with a fabulous Doctor although conventional methods, could not deny my success story was wonderful, so come on you doctors out there, give patients, more pats on the back, be more interested to hear and welcome new information to add to your already knowledge of the disease to go forward for the future. Oh, last but not least, on congratulations are in order, when I informed my previous doc reduction in my A1C by 23% in four months, he said " I quote, oh, that's because I prescribed you metformin that you are taking", I had the pleasure to inform him, no, my reversing of A1C is purely from diet and lifestyle change, as I decided not to take metformin prescribed, there was utter silence, and no pat on the back of well done, congrats you have done very well to lower your A1C by simple diet change.....
 
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