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Confused and in shock newbie...type 2

vjt66

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Hello folks
I have just been diagnosed (on friday) of having type 2 diabetes this was following a routine blood test which gave a reading of 11.2. I saw the nurse this morning and had a strip test which gave a reading of 18.6 so l have been prescribed metformin and l have another appointment for next thursday....l am very confused about carbs as l have been reading a lot of conflicting information. I would appreciate any info onthis and diet in general. This blood test also indicated that my thyroid was not producing enough thyroxine so it's been a double whammy for me. Sorry for going on but l feel like a sponge trying to glean as much info as l can. :(
 
Don't be sorry.
You are amongst friends.
Many posters on here would suggest cutting down the carbs- just take your time and advice as you see fit.. Including this.


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Hi vjt,

I'm in the same boat myself, and this board is very welcoming.

It is all really confusing for me too atm. I was in the supermarket yesterday though, and was looking through the nutritional info on some of the things I was picking up. I've always just paid attention to fats before, but the carbohydrates section lists sugars underneath (that's in addition to the sugar near the top). I tried to pick things low in carbs, and especially low in carbohydrate sugars. Not sure if I'm doing it right, but it seems logical.

I'm sure there are loads of people here with good advice. I'd like to know about the diet too, and if I'm doing it right.

Frances x
 
As Dave and Frances have said, cut down on your carbohyrates. Not all carbohydrates have the same effect but to begin with, just assume they do. Keeping to low carbs will help keep your BG lower. You can start to look into which carbs are OK for you after a few days when you get the hang of it.

Also, if you start to exercise, you will improve your insulin sensitivity which will help lower your BG. The effect of exercise on BG is short term so you need to exercise regularly. Now and again doesn't really cut it I'm afraid. But the good news is short and regular is better than one big session every day. Each session, even if only a few mins, helps stimulate hormones or enzymes, I forget which, that help the insulin. For example, if you could, a walk after breakfast, lunch and dinner would be good, especially if a steep hill was involved. Stairs in office buildings work well too.
 
Hi vjt and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I think you will find it helpful, and there is a lot of information about carbohydrates. Ask all the questions you like as there is always someone who can help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
I would like thank everyone for their replies/advice and experiences. As a 46yr old man l have never looked at nutritional info, it was just a case of l like that so in the trolley it goes, so l agree with you Frances labelling is confusing but my Wife has took this on and l think our next big shop is going to be quite a significant event! As for exercise l was going in hardball joining a gym etc which wouldn't last for long, so thank you Yorksman, your advice makes sense and is a more realistic target in my case. I am reducing my carb intake and it is a case of one day at a time, l am now looking forward to my next appointment on Thursday, l need to ask about self monitoring, on my first appointment l was told it would make me anxious but l'm finding it more stressful not knowing what my figures are. Thank you all again l just hope that one day l am able to help someone in my position.
 
vjt66 said:
l am now looking forward to my next appointment on Thursday, l need to ask about self monitoring, on my first appointment l was told it would make me anxious but l'm finding it more stressful not knowing what my figures are.

The cost of test strips is much very greater than the cost of Metformin. If you test 6 times per day, before and after each meal, the costs are between £3 and £5 per day. Metformin is about 10p. Hence it is financially beneficial if you put yourself entirely in the care of your GP and take the pills as prescribed by the 'expert'.

The researchers however are always keen to stress that diet and exercise are more beneficial than Metformin but the only way you can monitor progress is by regular testing.
 
Yorksman said:
vjt66 said:
l am now looking forward to my next appointment on Thursday, l need to ask about self monitoring, on my first appointment l was told it would make me anxious but l'm finding it more stressful not knowing what my figures are.

The cost of test strips is much very greater than the cost of Metformin. If you test 6 times per day, before and after each meal, the costs are between £3 and £5 per day. Metformin is about 10p. Hence it is financially beneficial if you put yourself entirely in the care of your GP and take the pills as prescribed by the 'expert'.

The researchers however are always keen to stress that diet and exercise are more beneficial than Metformin but the only way you can monitor progress is by regular testing.

I'm not sure what point you are making here Yorksman, I think its a really good for VJT66 to want to test, that's the only way to find out what effect foods have on your blood glucose. Its a bit of a post code lottery, some doctors will give you a meter, some won't. I would definitely recommend asking your GP, if they won't give you one, I suggest you buy one yourself. Obviously it can be a bit costly but its really the only way to find out which foods you should be eating and which you should avoid or reduce.

I have to buy my own testing strips but sometimes you can get bargains on Ebay and Amazon, or when Boots do a 3 for 2 offer. The thing to remember is you do not have to pay VAT on Diabetes products.

Metformin will only reduce your levels by about 1 point, so if you are eating white bread or doughnuts, Metformin will make no difference, your BGs will be sky high. Met works in conjuction with an altered diet, and will certainly help but is not the be all and end all.
 
Fraddycat said:
I'm not sure what point you are making here Yorksman, I think its a really good for VJT66 to want to test, that's the only way to find out what effect foods have on your blood glucose. Its a bit of a post code lottery, some doctors will give you a meter, some won't.

Yes, I should have made myself clearer. I was just explaining the possible motive behind the comment vjt got, 'testing yourself will only make you anxious'. I agree self monitoring is a good thing but some GPs won't put them on prescription. It's the first thing my GP said when I refused meds and said that I wanted to see if I could control it by diet. He snapped, 'the strips are about £1 each'. He even added, 'it'll make your fingers hurt'. I was just warning vtc that a 'no' may, in reality, be more due to financial motives.
 
Fraddycat said:
Right, makes sense, looks like we are saying the same thing Yorksman!

Aye, it was only when I re-read it that I saw that it was ambiguous.

"I know you say that you think you understand what it is that I said, but I am not sure you understand that what I said is not what I meant".
 
Thankyou Yorksman and Fraddycat, l am expecting a knockback when l ask about a meter.....but l am not going to let it get to me at this early stage...l still have a lot to learn and experience, but l am determined not to let this take over my life...but just to be a part of it. Even my youngest son (10yrs old) is now checking nutritional info on food for me..though he does delight in telling me what l am not allowed. :-)
 
vjt66 said:
Even my youngest son (10yrs old) is now checking nutritional info on food for me..though he does delight in telling me what l am not allowed. :-)

LOL, don't you just love 'em :D
 
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