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confused newbi

stoney43

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Location
tameside
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Hi all
Joined the ranks last year diet only bit confused by it all.
Had a visit to review my diet slipped a booklet and given a bit of advise on eating breakfast and cutting down suppers.
Thing i dont understand when visiting pub for sunday lunch no sweet and a pint of bitter.
By 2-30 i cant keep my eyes open and need a 10 min nap. could this be what causes this tiredness peak.
Dave.
 
Emm....Checked up on Sunday pub lunches at Weatherspoons, only one I had access to. Their Sunday roasts with all the trimmings can be from 90gm to 200gm of carb !

No wonder you needed a sleep if you ate any of them:shock:

The information below may give you some basics about diet etc in diabetes.

Here is the advice we usually give to newly diagnosed diabetics. We hope that these few ideas gained through experience help you to gain control and give you some understanding of Diabetes. This forum doesn't always follow the recommended dietary advice, you have to work out what works for you as we are all different.

It's not just 'sugars' you need to avoid, diabetes is an inability to process glucose properly. Carbohydrate converts, in the body, to glucose. So it makes sense to reduce the amount of carbohydrate that you eat which includes sugars.

The main carbs to avoid OR reduce are the complex or starchy carbohydrates such as bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, starchy root veg and also any flour based products. The starchy carbs all convert 100% to glucose in the body and raise the blood sugar levels significantly.

If you are on Insulin you may find that reducing the carb intake also means that you can reduce your dose of insulin. This can help you to keep weight gain down as Insulin tends to make you put on weight and eventually cause insulin resistance. This should be done slowly so as not to cause hypos.

The way to find out how different foods affect you is to do regular daily testing and keep a food diary for a couple of weeks. If you test just before eating, then two hours after eating, you will see the effect of certain foods on your blood glucose levels. Some foods, which are slow acting carbohydrates, are absorbed more slowly so you may need to test three or even four hours later to see the effect that these have on your blood glucose levels.

Buy yourself a carb counter book (you can get these on-line) and you will be able to work out how much carbs you are eating, when you test, the reading two hours after should be roughly the same as the before eating reading, if it is then that meal was fine, if it isn’t then you need to check what you have eaten and think about reducing the portion size of carbs.

When you are buying products check the total carbohydrate content, this includes the sugar content. Do not just go by the amount of sugar on the packaging as this is misleading to a diabetic.

As for a tester, try asking the nurse/doctor and explain that you want to be proactive in managing your own diabetes and therefore need to test so that you can see just how foods affect your blood sugar levels. Hopefully this will work! Sometimes they are not keen to give Type 2’s the strips on prescription, (in the UK) but you can but try!!
If you are an Insulin user in theory you should have no problem getting test strips.

The latest 2010 NICE guidelines for Bg levels are as follows:
Fasting (waking).......between 4 - 7 mmol/l.(Type 1 & 2)
2 hrs after meals......no more than 8.5 mmol/l. ( Type 2)

2hrs after meals....... no more than 9 mmol/l (Type 1)

If you are able to keep the post meal numbers lower, so much the better.

It also helps if you can do 30 minutes moderate exercise a day. It doesn't have to be strenuous.

The above is just general advice and it is recommended that you discuss with your HCP before making any changes. You can also ask questions on the forum on anything that is not clear.

Sue/Ken.
 
Thanks for the reply and information and also for removeing my complacent attitude am finaly understanding its not just slowing down with the years.
spent a while reading through some posts on here and realise I must be more proactive.
Dave
 
stoney43 said:
Hi all
Joined the ranks last year diet only bit confused by it all.
Had a visit to review my diet slipped a booklet and given a bit of advise on eating breakfast and cutting down suppers.
Thing i dont understand when visiting pub for sunday lunch no sweet and a pint of bitter.
By 2-30 i cant keep my eyes open and need a 10 min nap. could this be what causes this tiredness peak.
Dave.

Dave, try asking the waiter/waitress to replace some or all of your spuds in place of vegetables, most places are usually obliging. I tend to eat in places that serve a carvery style Sunday dinner, this way I can have a couple of roast spuds and fill the rest of my plate with meat and veg, Toby's carvery is very good and my preferred choice! :)

Nigel
 
Nigel, that seems like a positive way forward will have to give it a try Sunday whilst waiting for carb booklet
Dave
 
stoney43 said:
Nigel, that seems like a positive way forward will have to give it a try Sunday whilst waiting for carb booklet
Dave

If you don't ask Dave you'll never know! :) .....let me know how you get on.

Nigel
 
Roast beef, yorkshire pud, cauliflower cheese, brocoli, cabbage, peas,carrots,onion,small tea spoon of mushrooms,pint of beer. about 12-30. settled down to watch match on tv. missed 10 mins for usual nap must report that the tiredness peak appeared about 30 mins late.
Reading through i must say it does look a large amount but the portions are reasonable and i must say i didnt miss the potatoes.
Dave.
 
But what about the Yorkshire pud> it's high carb surely?
So you use tiredness rather than self test your blood glucose? Bet your naps show a higher reading...
Weird thing is tiredness after meals is a symptom of DM so you should have been told about it...
A glass of red wine in the evening does me in still! 8)
 
Now I could eat that roast potato but not he yorkshire pudding, my body can handle a small amout of potato but not wheat carb at all. Why not see if they ahave different effects on you.
 
stoney43 said:
Roast beef, yorkshire pud, cauliflower cheese, brocoli, cabbage, peas,carrots,onion,small tea spoon of mushrooms,pint of beer. about 12-30. settled down to watch match on tv. missed 10 mins for usual nap must report that the tiredness peak appeared about 30 mins late.
Reading through i must say it does look a large amount but the portions are reasonable and i must say i didnt miss the potatoes.
Dave.


Roast Beef.....2 slices (70g) ..........0.28g .....carbs
Yorkshire Pud...........(50g)...........16.45g
Cauliflower Cheese....(28g)...........1.45g
Broccoli..................(80g)...........0.88g
Cabbage.................(90g)...........1.98g
Peas......................(75g)...........7.05g
Carrot....................(80g)...........6.56g
Onion....baked.........(28g)...........6.24g

Total Carbs and not including any gravy, beer or the mushrooms etc.......40.89g carbs. That......is half my daily intake of carbs :shock: b As for what it would do to my Bg levels.........OMG ! I do hope you are resticting portion sizes to below the above levels. I could manage the meal with half quantities of most things at a pinch.

Still if you can do it with no ill efects on your levels......go for it. :)

Ken
 
Meat and two veg then? That yorkshire really skews the total.

It's maybe OK to eat a smaller meal even tho you would look a bit odd getting the scales out and weighing your peas down at Toby's Carvery! 8)
 
thanks for the replys
tiredness is the only way I can tell if a meal is not good for me and thats from information on this forum.
I am in the process of making a list of food that appear not to be good for me so as to eliminate the evil ones.
cowboyjim what is D.M. food.
Bit of a blow that Yorkshire pudding info.
As a Yorkshireman how can I start the Sunday dinner off without one.
Reading through other posts It appears as though I could buy a monitor/meter to take readings with. Does this need a lot of understanding or will i need a degree in physics. and where can you get them from.
Thanks for the patience Dave.
 
There are various monitors around, some are more techincal (ie links with computer software) than others, being a technophobe I have one that I can just see the reading and everything else is done with oldfashioned paper and pencil.
 
Jim.
If you weigh out a portion of peas at home you will know roughly what quantity to have when you are out.....simples. :D Nobody expects you to carry a pair of scales round wherever you eat. :wink:

Dave.
Tiredness could be down to anything not just Diabetes. It is usually fairly normal to feel tired after a big meal. Your blood supply is concentrating on helping your stomach and intestines to digest the food, therefore it could possibly make you sleepy. Not everybody feels tired after a meal. I never do, basically because I restrict my carbohydrate intake.

You must get a meter and strips, you cannot guess what your levels might be just on how you feel. It's a simple process....you put a test strip in the meter it gives you a readout of your Bg levels. You don't need a degree, just good eyesight as some meter screens can be a bit small.

You can just phone up the manufacturers, do a net search for Blood glucose meters or look at our Community pages where there are reviews and details of various meters. See here for a free one on offer:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/promotions/bayer-meters.html

In the advice that Sue gave to you further back in this thread it mentions meters and strips. It also mentions about carbs, getting a meter etc......That is sound advice for someone who is trying to take control of their Diabetes, especially when diet only. Sue uses diet only very successfully.

As for the Yorkshire I love them too.....however if I want to control my Diabetes I have to do without or restrict some things. No pain....no gain ! :( It's a tough life......

Ken
 
I just went out and bought an Accu-Chek from Boots... luckily our GP prescriptions cover the test strips. The nurse probably would have given me a free meter so why not ask yours?

Ken.... it was me trying to make light of it! 8)
 
Cowboyjim said:
Ken.... it was me trying to make light of it! 8)


What makes you think I wasn't ....... :wink: You see some people actually think that's what they need to do........I know it's a joke, as was the reply, but factual as well for the information of all our newbies.

Ken 8)
 
I find my accuchek nano very easy to use .the multiclix that comes with it for pricking your finger is almost painless ,and the strips are not too expensive on e-bay if your GP will not prescribe them
CAROL
 
Good point Ken... not easy to have it in your head what 100g of anything looks like. As I think I said before it is not even that easy to weigh 100g of owt IMHO.

DM is like GIGO but "garbage in trouble out" I suppose... less of the bad stuff the better for you.

On the related point about meters I was confused by the advert for the new Accu-Chek 'Mobile' on the back page of Balance mag. It gave me the impression you didn't need to buy any more strips... ho ho dream on. It actually says "strip free" but then elsewhere on the page says cassettes contain 50 strips. OK this is a convenience compared to the 17 in each cass on mine but it still means you gotta pay out for the darn things. 8)
 
thanks for all the help
Have made an appointment with nurse so now i have a bit more info should be able to get more info from nurse and might also be able to get a meter and info on the use of same.
time for education
dave
 
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