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Prediabetes Confused over conflicting advice

JuliaAR

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
Hi,
I have just gone through an annual health check which revealed a glucose (fasting) result of 142 mg/dl and a few days later an HbA1c result of 6.0. My doctor has diagnosed me with type 2 diabetes and wanted to put me on medication. However everywhere I read about these tests it tells me that I need to have an HbA1c result of over 6.5 to be classified as diabetic and that I should be considered as prediabetic. Can anyone clarify my position?
Also, when I told my doctor that I wanted to try to correct my high glucose with diet and exercise she said that I should go on a low sugar and low fat diet, eating only green fruits and green vegetables and protein such as meat and fish. I should not eat nuts, dairy (except low fat, low sugar), yoghurt, root vegetables or anything else that contains any type of carbs. At 5ft 5in and 9st 4 lb I don't consider myself to be overweight so I don't understand the very strict withdrawal of energy foods.
When I look at diabetic recipes they have all types of foods in them. Where do I go from here?
Confused. Tired. And very hungry! :(
 
Hi @JuliaAR ,

Whilst your A1C is in the pre-diabetic range, your fasting test gives results that are in the diabetic range. I'd suggest that your doc is playing safe at this point. Take a look at this page for more info....
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html

Onto food! Maný type 2's like to cut down on carbs because they all turn into glucose in the body. You'll have to find what works for you. If this interests you then have a look around the LCHF forum. You could start out by keeping a food diary for a couple weeks and work out how many carbs you eat. Judge where you are against the reference intake of 260g per day.
 
The vegetables you mainly have to avoid are some but not all root vegetables generally as a rule of thumb all vegetables that grow above ground are okay, but avoid anything made from any type of grain, although whole grains are less of a threat. Grain includes pasta, couscous, rice, bread and other bakery items and all breakfast cereals.
Tropical fruit is a must avoid but fruits that grow in a temperate climate are less of a problem in moderation, any type berry is generally okay in moderation.
Nuts are not a problem unless you have an allergy, even Peanuts which not really nuts but from the Pea and Bean family. Peas, beans lentils chick peas in moderation but not baked beans as the sauce is packed with sugar.
Salads are fine as are fish (especially oily fish), meat eggs. Lots of dairy products including cream and cheese are OK but Milk contains a complex sugar lactose which is a problem for some diabetics but not others. Yoghurts are okay but not reduced fat yoghurts as these have the fats replaced by sugars,
 
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Welcome. Whether you consider it as pre-D or D your body is rebelling against your current lifestyle. I would not be cutting out nuts - tree nuts such as almonds and hazelnuts are fantastic, not only as an energy source but as a macro and micro nutrient source.

I agree with your doctor on the green veg such as lettuce, cabbage, spinach, cauli etc. However I would ignore the low fat mantra. This is akin to leeching of today for the NHS and is being debunked rapidly.

Protein is generally good as long as your kidneys are healthy.

When your doctor says fruit - they need to learn about the bodies processes. I would never recommend a person with insulin resistance to have fruit. It is generally the fructose that has driven this so time to stop fructose in all forms (fruit, honey, sugar, (sugars in processed foods) and all other forms. Fructose also requires vitamin D to process it and I bet you are probably low in that too.

So eat veg, nuts, meat, and fats of other types. By the way root veg generally has fairly high glucose levels unlike leafy veg.
 
Hi everyone,
Thanks for your replies and advice. I can see that I'll have to do my homework on all this and just see what works for me.
I have an appointment on Monday with a diabetes specialist doctor so I will see what she says and get back to you.
PS can stress play a part in all of this? Just moved house, having building works done and my daughter has had serious medical concerns over the last year which have all added up to sleepless nights and traumatic days. Sorry to be a drama queen but :arghh: !
 
Hi and welcome. I do not think stress can cause diabetes but it can certainly aggravate things and make it much harder to control. Stress can not only raise blood sugars due to the stress hormones but it can also have an impact on what you are eating. If you are busy and stressed it becomes much easier to just grab junk or to eat too much. Try to find a moment or two to just go for a walk or listen to a favorite song, whatever works to calm and relax you. There is a scream thread if you just want to vent or just...SCREAM. Don't worry about being a drama queen, we all go through tough times and we all need someone to listen. Azure has tagged daisy1 and the information she sends you is something you really need to take the time to read, probably more than once. It will help you get things sorted out. Also find someone very huggable and just give them a hug because it sounds like you need a good hug. I wish you well :)
 
@JuliaAR , I totally agree with the other posters. It looks like your Doctor has diagnosed you on balance due to both tests. But, why not discuss it with the Doc you see on Monday.

Contrary to popular belief not all T2 diabetics carry too much weight. The science is a bit complex for a Day 1 explanation, but count that as bad luck.

I think the bottom line is, as @andcol says your body is having trouble coping with your current way of living, so time to trim up a few things. Diet is a great place to start, with most T2 folks finding reducing their carb intake the greatest game-changer.

Have your appointment with your Doc then feel free to come back here and discuss it with others. Whatever you do, don't get in a flap over it. It's not the end of the world and your numbers, as you have identified, aren't sky high. You'll be fine. :)
 
@JuliaAR

Hello Julia and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. There is a lot of advice on carbs and a link to the Low Carb Program. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Thank you all so much for your caring replies. By the way chalup and daisy1 - just love those kittens as I'm a real cat person. Yes I will read all the information you have sent to me with these links and will be prepared for my appointment tomorrow. Will get back to the forum after that to update you.
Once again thanks to all of you. :)
 
Welcome. Whether you consider it as pre-D or D your body is rebelling against your current lifestyle. I would not be cutting out nuts - tree nuts such as almonds and hazelnuts are fantastic, not only as an energy source but as a macro and micro nutrient source.

I agree with your doctor on the green veg such as lettuce, cabbage, spinach, cauli etc. However I would ignore the low fat mantra. This is akin to leeching of today for the NHS and is being debunked rapidly.

Protein is generally good as long as your kidneys are healthy.

When your doctor says fruit - they need to learn about the bodies processes. I would never recommend a person with insulin resistance to have fruit. It is generally the fructose that has driven this so time to stop fructose in all forms (fruit, honey, sugar, (sugars in processed foods) and all other forms. Fructose also requires vitamin D to process it and I bet you are probably low in that too.

So eat veg, nuts, meat, and fats of other types. By the way root veg generally has fairly high glucose levels unlike leafy veg.
  1. Hey well done on your results. It gives me hope to hear a success story like yours. Keep up the good fight. :)
 
  1. Hey well done on your results. It gives me hope to hear a success story like yours. Keep up the good fight. :)
well thank you very much.. Hope it helps and I am sure you will do well. Just the act of coming here and posting takes encouragement
 
So, I went to see the diabetic specialist doctor today and she was a strong proponent of the low carb, high fat diet approach to managing blood glucose levels, which was a great boost. She was very helpful, explained everything very clearly to me. She confirmed that with my readings I am at the prediabetic stage and thought I had every chance of turning things around before I reach the Type 2 stage. Everything she said was very encouraging and she was very happy that I had signed up with diabetes.co.uk. She suggested that I take more tests in about 6 weeks to monitor my progress.
She also gave me a link www.dietdoctor.com which other newbies might be interested in looking at - particularly the section on "reverse diabetes".
I guess now all that is left is for me to get my eating habits in line. I had already started the low carb approach on my other doctor's instructions. I have been eating nothing but grilled protein and boiled leafy veg for 6 days and have dropped 5 pounds. Now I will start to add back a few fats on my new doctor's advice. We will see how it goes.
So, enough about me. How are you guys doing? :)
 
So, I went to see the diabetic specialist doctor today and she was a strong proponent of the low carb, high fat diet approach to managing blood glucose levels, which was a great boost. She was very helpful, explained everything very clearly to me. She confirmed that with my readings I am at the prediabetic stage and thought I had every chance of turning things around before I reach the Type 2 stage. Everything she said was very encouraging and she was very happy that I had signed up with diabetes.co.uk. She suggested that I take more tests in about 6 weeks to monitor my progress.
She also gave me a link www.dietdoctor.com which other newbies might be interested in looking at - particularly the section on "reverse diabetes".
I guess now all that is left is for me to get my eating habits in line. I had already started the low carb approach on my other doctor's instructions. I have been eating nothing but grilled protein and boiled leafy veg for 6 days and have dropped 5 pounds. Now I will start to add back a few fats on my new doctor's advice. We will see how it goes.
So, enough about me. How are you guys doing? :)
That is wonderful.. You have a very progressive doctor so she sounds like a keeper. What a great start you are getting. Hopefully we can make your journey easier as you travel along
 
That is wonderful.. You have a very progressive doctor so she sounds like a keeper. What a great start you are getting. Hopefully we can make your journey easier as you travel along
Thank you. You already have made it easier just by being there. :happy:
 
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