Type 2 Confused.

Sue 571

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Hey, not to sure if I'm on the correct thread? But have two questions...
I am diabetic type 2, diet alone, but I'm confused with my fasting readings, they range from 4.5mmol to 5.8mmol so one day I'm not diabetic, the next pre diabetic? How does that work? Also my dr has now refused me testing strips and has taken me off his books because I dont take the tablets, and says I won't be called in now for a HBA1C test! Can he do this? Thank you .
 

Heretic1

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Hi Sue,
Wow - you lucky thing, as I understand it (and I may be wrong) but I think BOTH of those readings are below the pre or indeed Diabetes threshold. I think anything below 6 is 'normal', 6-7 is pre and 7+ is diabetic. If I am wrong I'm sure I will be told, I'm still very new to this!
I would love to lose the 'label' if I possibly could - it's early days for me though.
Congratulations!
 

chalup

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If you are controlling your blood sugar with your diet successfully low numbers are showing you that it is working for you. This does not mean you are not diabetic, it means you are controlling it well. Having a regular HBA1C test is important. Get another doctor. You are not obligated to take pills if you don't want to, it is your body and your decision how to deal with your diabetes. Go buy a meter and strips. I am not in the UK so others will have to tell you which is the most cost effective. You do not need anyone's permission to test and testing is important for control. You are obviously doing a good job. I will tag @daisy1 to send you some information. Welcome to the forum. Please ask any questions you have, these are a great bunch of people. :)
 

Daibell

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Hi. Any fasting reading between 5 and 7 is fine. The better test is to use the meter 2 hours after some typical meals and it should be below 8.5. The HBa1C test is the most reliable one. I suspect you have been prescribed Metformin? These help but don't have a dramatic effect. It sounds like the GP is annoyed you aren't taking them? I would keep going with the low-carb diet, use the meter to check after meal readings occasionally and see the GP if your readings go above NICE guidelines. He has a right to refuse the HBa1C test if he has (correctly?) taken you off the diagnosed diabetes list. You will need to buy your own strips I'm afraid.
 

Pinkorchid

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How long have you been T2 and how long did it take to get to levels you have now because they are really good what diet do you follow .Has your doctor actually said you no longer have diabetes. I don't know if he can refuse blood tests because you don't take the tablets many here do not take any diabetic medication but have not heard anyone saying they are refused blood tests because of that even when their levels are controlled
 

Bluetit1802

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What were your last 2 or 3 HbA1c test results?

If someone has had non-diabetic HbA1c results without medication for a year or two they are often removed from the diabetic register. Is this the reason in your case?
 

daisy1

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@Sue 571

Hello Sue and welcome to the forum :) Here is the basic information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.