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I decided to have some All Bran for breakfast today, I am fairly sick of eggs. So I measured out 40g and had a little milk, and a cup of coffee, an hour later my reading was 10.5. not good :cry: I'll have to be careful for the rest of the day.

My other problem is my morning reading which I don't seem to be able to get low, today was 7.9, disappointed as before bed was only 5.4 and I wondered about eating something incase it dropped lower through the night, but I didn't. So I guess adding the All Bran was bound to raise it even higher.

I find all this so tricky to do whilst having to take insulin. :? Any advice would be appreciated.
 
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Hi cuillie

If you are not going low during the night then you could try increasing your lantus by 2 units. See how that goes for 3 days before making any other adjustments.

You should be able to eat All Bran for breakfast if you take enough Novorapid to cover it, but you need to sort out the lantus first.
 
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cuillie said:
I decided to have some All Bran for breakfast today, I am fairly sick of eggs. So I measured out 40g and had a little milk, and a cup of coffee, an hour later my reading was 10.5. not good :cry: I'll have to be careful for the rest of the day.

My other problem is my morning reading which I don't seem to be able to get low, today was 7.9, disappointed as before bed was only 5.4 and I wondered about eating something incase it dropped lower through the night, but I didn't. So I guess adding the All Bran was bound to raise it even higher.

I find all this so tricky to do whilst having to take insulin. :? Any advice would be appreciated.
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Don't forget you were 7.9 before your breakfast so the All Bran raised your bg by 2.6mmol which in my book isn't too drastic, had you been say 5 then your bg would only have increased to 7.6.....which is well below the recommendations. Out of interest what was your 2 and 4 hour bg readings?

I agree with Robert that you might want to increase your lantus by a unit to see if this helps with your waking levels, just remember that changes can take 2-3 days to appear with lantus and I'd advise you to do some testing during the night to make sure you don't go hypo.
 
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noblehead said:
Don't forget you were 7.9 before your breakfast so the All Bran raised your bg by 2.6mmol which in my book isn't too drastic, had you been say 5 then your bg would only have increased to 7.6.....which is well below the recommendations
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Whilst a raise of 2.6 is, agreed, not too bad - you can't always transpose that increase to a lower starting figure. I have found that there's some variation on how foods raise your levels depending upon where you start - it's not a 1:1 relationship.

I agree that you should get a Lantus dosage overnight that you're happy with. Are you taking the Lantus once or twice a day (twice daily is not a recommended or supported model, which is why DSNs advise against it, but it works for me).

Other things to check are that you're taking the reading as soon as you wake and not 15mins later. I am also prescribed Novorapid but don't use it - it's no where near fast enough to cope with a meal I'm about to eat (I've read that the lead in time of all rapid insulin is at least 25mins) - so all that happens is I go high and then go low and then eat to compensate and go high again. I spent so long having rubbish readings that I consigned it to the fridge where it's been for 4 months now.

What sort of quantity of All Bran are you having - could you carb control by reducing the portion and perhaps having it with soya milk instead - or perhaps mix it with almond flour, flax seed or other nuts to reduce the carb quantity?

Just a few thoughts

S
 
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Thanks for all your advice and I will look into, adjusting my lantus, I'm a bit wary however of playing around too much. I never thought of taking a reading as soon as I wake up. At that point I am more concerned with taking my blood pressure table which has to be taken 1/2 hr. before I eat and I always look forward to breakfast, well I used to.
 
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Hi Cuillie!

I sympathise with you over the All Bran. I had the same reaction to it and the almost full box is now in the back of the cupboard. I found a couple of things that might help you:

1. My fasting reading taken at waking is always significantly lower than a reading taken 20 minutes later. This helped me as it meant I now either test on waking, get up and eat immediately which stops the higher level as I take my Apidra with my breakfast or test on waking to get the fasting level and if I delay breakfast while I get ready, test again before breakfast to get the level from which to work out how much Apidra I need. Before I realised this, I was basing my Apidra on the fasting level and wondering why it wasn't coping with my breakfast :roll:

2. Very small amounts of Lizzi's Granola is easier to cover than any other cereal I've tried. So, I have 50g fresh raspberries, 75g Total natural Greek yoghurt and top that with 20g Lizzi's Granola. That all works out to about 15g carb. I jab my Apidra (1:8 for breakfast plus any adjustments) just as I'm about to eat and this usually keeps the BG to good levels at the two-hour mark.

Hope this helps

Smidge
 
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Hi Cuillie!

I just noticed that your 10.5 was at the one-hour mark. I couldn't tell you what the raspberries, yoghurt and granola do to me at one-hour - it might well be as bad as your All Bran. I'm only just considering that I might need to deal with the one-hour spike and have been concentrating on the two-hour only. Out of interest, did you test again at two hours to see what your BG was at that point?

Smidge
 
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Hello Smidge, thanks for your response, my 2hr. reading was 8.5, still too high, but I was careful for remainder of day and readings came down significatly.

Took my reading immediately upon waking today, (don't know how I managed I was so bleary eyed), it was 6.9. Last nights reading was 4.8 before bed. so I think this is quite good.

Another thing I am wondering, could my high readings over the years impair sleep?, I have a very, very poor sleep pattern which is awful as I still work full time so I am always tired. I'm 59 by the way, today in fact. I am hoping the the low carb eating might help with this as I hope it does withe reducing my blood sugar and weight. Any thoughts on this.
 
a lot of people's sleep gets interrupted by a need to go to the loo - though that may not be the immediately obvious reason when you wake up. This improves considerably with control.

But more importantly..

Happy Birthday :clap:
 
swimmer2 said:
a lot of people's sleep gets interrupted by a need to go to the loo - though that may not be the immediately obvious reason when you wake up. This improves considerably with control.

But more importantly..

Happy Birthday :clap:
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Thanks for the response, and I'm not having birthday cake :( , but still a lovely day, :)
 
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cuillie said:
Another thing I am wondering, could my high readings over the years impair sleep?, I have a very, very poor sleep pattern which is awful as I still work full time so I am always tired. I'm 59 by the way, today in fact. I am hoping the the low carb eating might help with this as I hope it does withe reducing my blood sugar and weight. Any thoughts on this.
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Have you been asked or tested for Sleep Apnea?
 
How about having bacon?
delicious and carb free.
Hana
 
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noblehead said:
Have you been asked or tested for Sleep Apnea?
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I cured my Sleep Apnea almost instantly when I started low-carbing. Losing lots of weight has also helped, but it was like an instantaenous switch. I went from being scared to nod-off on an aeroplane to sleeping all through the night.

Other things that have helped me:
1) Sleeping in a completely dark room - I can't do this, but I've started wearing a sleeping mask that improves the quality of my sleep enormously.
2) Taking a vitamin D supplement, which is not supposed to help with sleep, but has made me feel much less stressed (I think).
 
Thanks for the comments, and yes I occasionally have bacon which I love.
Re: the sleep Apnea, no I'v never been tested, but I'm sure it's not that, I don't have the same symptoms, but I'll file it awayanyway.

With reference to other comments earlier about a waking reading, I feel totally flumoxed by it, for example, upon waking this morning, at 6am my reading was 7.4 then an hr. afer it was 8.2 :( now I hadn't eaten anything except 8mg perindopril tablet for high blood pressure. and surely thats not responsible for the great hike in blood sugar. Why is this so Complicated?

I also tried a slice of bergen bread that had been mentioned by some folk, slathered it in butter and had a coffee with cream, my reading hr. later was8.6, and then an hr. after that 6.5. Now I'm no expert but, I think thats not too bad. However I was hungry later on in the morning, but pushed myself through the pain barrier to lunch time.

I still find that I've lost no weight, I would have thought that a week and a half without all my usual amount of wrong food would have shown up with at least a pound or two. Don't seem so bloated though.

Does anyone have any thoughts on these points that may give me encouragement?
 
I'll help if I can. If your morning numbers are rising without eating anything, then it's likely to be as a result of what they call "the dawn phenomenon". This is where your liver deactivates more insulin in your body in the morning than at other times of the day, causing your levels to rise a little - notionally to give you a waking 'boost'.

If you have to have bread, then soya and linseed burgen is probably the best - some people have nimble - but it's only one slice of bread. I've given up on it as I can have fewer carbs and more food by eating protein and fat instead. (Bacon & Eggs, Gk Yog etc)

I found that the weight loss kicked in after about 3 weeks, so don't get disheartened. It really does work - have lost more than 2 stones now and I was only 12.5 Stone to start with.
 
Hi Swimmer, and thanks, I did know about the dawn phenomenon but it's the difference in readings between waking up and an hr. afterwards that I find puzzleing, as it's quite a leap up. I can however understand that the body wants a surge to get it going.

I think I will keep the bread for special occasions as I had another slice today with bacon and egg with disasterous results, won't go into details, but it make me late for work.

Thanks for your advice and well done on your weight loss, I like things to happen too immediately.
 
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