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There are some positive things there which is good news,certainly good about more attention to be paid to social distancing and masks.Had an interesting chat with both my Head and the Union today and then a surprising development at the end of the day.
Firstly was the chat with the Head. Nice guy to be fair and was nicely complimentary about his hopes that I will stay as I do a good job., Nice to hear and I only half jokingly replied that I would hope that I will still be doing a good job this time next year!! He listened well and I think he understands my concerns and admitted his concerns as well because he has a new born so there was a lot of empathy there. At the same time, and understandably so, they are a school and that's what we are there for.
The only thing that was a bit frustrating was that he commented that I sat outside classrooms (with the teachers permission I hasten to add) and the Head said that whilst that's okay at the moment as LSA's we are there to support the students and so me doing that in two months time wouldn't really be doing my job. Fair enough but at the same time he understood that would mean less than 1 metres distance in an enclosed classroom.
Work from home is not an option as it's not my role and whilst he did say they didn't want to lose me he said that "if" I decided to leave they would sort something out with regards to as to why I left as he was aware if you leave voluntarily you can't claim any benefit. He then jokingly said that they wouldn't put it down as "gross misconduct!!" I think he mis phrased at one point though because he said that if I did leave they would support me financially,. I was quite excited for a moment but I think he meant the sorting something out with regard to the reason I left. For a minute I thought I was going to receive a Golden Handshake!!
I did request a compromise as training and the computer room is packed inside with staff. I asked if it would be possible for me to leave when the students have gone and thus work at home for that extra hour checking emails, writing reports and studying the training Power Point slides from home rather than at school. He said he would look into that. I will follow up that it would be under review as I'm not asking for that forever but we could have a meeting each month to see if it is safer to do that at school as time goes on. I suspect his worry is if I ask then everyone will, although that wouldn't be a bad idea as all that stuff can be down from home.
I asked if he would be happy to talk to my Union rep and he admitted that as a Head he would prefer not to talk to Unions but said his door was open. So fairly positive and they do listen to be fair and I totally understand their point of view as well.
I then spoke to the Union who said that the school do seem to be doing what they can, which is more than some other schools. The rep said that the problem is these schools are going by Government guidance and as long as that guidance is followed it is deemed a "safe workplace" even if you and I feel it's not. So if say you refuse to work because in your view it is not safe any Employment Tribunal could argue that they are following all the guidance so they are doing what they can. In a nutshell it isn't the schools that have got it wrong but the Government. The only way this will change sadly is when infections and/or deaths show the Government that their guidelines "aren't safe".
Unfortunately we as clinically vulnerable are seen as a problem. If you are shielded and get 100% advice from a medical professional that you should work from home then that is what happens. However the rest of us are all labelled as the same. Clinically vulnerable but ok to go in to work. There is a wide range of conditions and risks with hundreds of thousands of people but all just walloped under one bracket with no real individual consideration at all. For instance a controlled diabetic is under the same category as an uncontrolled asthmatic. Someone with high blood pressure is in the same category as someone with another condition and it goes on and on. Schools generally want those who just carry on regardless without any concern, but in fact it is those people who are the problem because it is likely that people who don't really worry will be the ones bringing Covid into the workplace!
The surprise at the end of the day was changes coming in from tomorrow as a result of feedback from the Health and Welfare Sheet that all staff completed. One way systems are back and ALL staff are to wear masks or visors indoors. These have been implemented partly due to staff feedback and the increasing rates around the country. Some staff apparently complained about others not socially distancing properly so all staff were again reminded that they must do so. So the guidelines are changing week by week and it wouldn't surprise me if more changes are to come over the weeks and months.
One idea that I hadn't mentioned to my Head which would solve the problem would be a staggered week. Half the students in Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday morning with the other half Wednesday afternoon through till Friday. Anyone not at school has online lessons. Half the staff would work from home in a rota system and all clinically vulnerable staff would work at home remotely all week. Makes sense to me!
There are some positive things there which is good news,certainly good about more attention to be paid to social distancing and masks.
I think the current situation is making a difference.
There was an interesting zoom conference by March for Change yesterday involving head of Royal College of Nurses,GMB union,Mps etc. GMB are certainly strongly advocating for members ,especially those who are having to choose between health and paying bills.
Sadly as it stands at the moment government guidance to Covid Safety at work is just that,legally we have no protection.
Split schooling sounds excellent and I've heard it suggested before akong side hiring extra rooms etc. I think it would take a lot of money,time and resources that the government are not prepared to pay.
If things do change,maybe I'm being cynical,but I feel it will be a gradual process. It could be the rate of deaths rises or childeren start becoming unwell and change is because there is no option.
Meanwhile those that are vulnerable will remain between a rock and a hard place.
Thank you for your concern. He is going to refer me anyway, and it would mean 3 separate visits. I'm guessing there would be quite a long waiting list anyway, and when I get my appointments I shall just postpone. And continue postponing until I have been vaccinated. I have something unusual called "cyclical vomiting syndrome", which as it's name suggests, is very unpleasant indeed. But it is not life threatening.@Tannith , whilst I respect your decision, as a person exhibiting capacity, regarding your proposed procedure, I would ask you to consider two things:
Firstly, how long it could be before the procedure would happen. If there is a waiting list, the position relating to COVID could be different by then, and secondly, why your consultant proposed the action.
To be clear, I mm not asking the reason. However if he wants to rule out or in something sinister, the consequences of deferring or declining could be catastrophic.
Finally, would you consider asking your consultant if you could be first of the day on the list?
My partner's daughter works in OT and Anaesthetics, and their process have really been doubled down, with many more layers of caution in place. Where possible (i.e. not emergency, life or die cases) patients have a COVID test prior to admission/day of the op. From the negative test, patients must continue to self-isolate.
Good luck whichever route you choose.
Both my OH and I have had to have tests in hospital - both unplanned. The Covid measures put in place more than reassured us. I’m glad that I went as it put my mind at ease. If your consultant didn’t think it was necessary to do the scan I’m sure he would not suggest it - particularly with the currently long waiting lists.I had a telephone appointment with a gastroenterology consultant this afternoon. He said he was referring me for a scan and a camera down my throat into my stomach & a gastric emptying test. I replied that I would not be going anywhere near a hospital until there was a vaccine.He said it would be safe as "everyone wears masks now". I just thanked him but repeated that I would not be going anywhere near a hospital.
I’m following this whole thread very closely.
I’m a type 1 teaching assistant in a middle school. (Years 5 to 8.)
My head fought with staff all throughout the summer about mask wearing, basically refusing point blank.
I sent numerous emails saying how much more vulnerable I am and he still said no.
In the end I asked my diabetes consultant to write to him insisting he allowed me to wear a mask.
This was still a problem for my head, he phoned saying he needed to discuss it further.
He knew in May my intention of returning to work in September, under the condition I wear a mask.
He did not carry out a risk assessment until yesterday, breaching the Union’s advice.
Then at the last minute, he said masks were optional in corridors but MUST be removed in class rooms. (Due to the government’s last minute guidelines.)
Four staff, (all in the NEU,) decided to start as we meant to go on and wore our masks on teacher training day. We did not remove them, making a point.
The head didn’t bring the matter up, we believe he realised he couldn’t do anything.
All staff move around school and the children stay in the same classroom throughout the day.
The classes are small and poorly ventilated, (old building,) all classes have 32-34 children sitting shoulder to shoulder, the teacher and a TA.
It’s very difficult to stay 2m away, I’m unable to support the children and I am following the ‘2m guidelines’ stringently.
All the other TA’s are ignoring the guidelines, they sit right next to the children and there is no social distancing between staff.
I brought this up with he head and he sent an email asking staff to remember to the 2m rule. It’s not made any difference.
He asked me what the school is doing well, I had to think of something. I told him hand sanitizer was a small bonus but it’s cancelled out by everything else.
I’m mixing with almost 300 children throughout the day, hot seating with their year group bubbles.
Following my meting with him (my union rep supported me) I went into the school office to get the laminator and the bitchy office manager and business manager said if I was so “scared” they would pass the laminator through the window.
They then told me I want allowed in an empty classroom to laminate as it was not scheduled to be used or cleaned until Monday.
I told them I would wipe down everything I touched in the classroom.
On return to the office with the laminator, the office manager literally threw the wet wipes at me and told me to wipe the laminator down. I told her I already had, and she replied, “yes, but you had to carry it down the corridor.”
This was uncalled for and since it happened right after my risk assessment meeting (the business manager took notes,) I feel the conversation i had in the meeting room has been discussed with the office manager, therefore breaking confidentiality.
I have used the laminator previously and was not asked to clean it, nor are any of my colleagues. We are all touching photo copiers and door handles constantly, and we all must remember to clean out hands as much as possible. It’s impossible to keep ‘clean’ 100%.
I’m extremely anxious and feel I’m the only one who cares, other than my union members and rep.
I mentioned what the office staff had said to my friend/colleague (who is also my union rep.)
She immediately said that was a union matter and low level bullying which could escalate. I gave her a full and detailed account of what was said and how I felt and she emailed my head on my behalf and as union rep.
He won’t accept the email unless I have an informal conversation as per the grievance policy. I told him I was not going to discuss it informally without my union rep. He won’t do it and said if I want it resolving it must be done as per the grievance policy.
Due to my fragile state, anxiety and stress, I do not want to have to go over things again and again. My blood sugars are all over the place, every say I go to work and something else happens.
Sadly, I don’t have the “fight” in me to peruse this grievance informally so the office staff have “won”.
This is not me, I fight for my rights.....
I just want peace.
****** hell, I can’t believe how much I’ve written...... if nobody reads it I can wholeheartedly understand. It’s get it off my chest so I suppose it’s been of benefit.
I want to see my GP and attempt to be signed off for anxiety. I feel physically sick, I can feel my heart beating in my throat, I’m shaky and can’t sleep, focus or smile. I’m so disengaged.
Happy weekend.....
I havent anything to add to the other brilliant posts I just wanted to add my support. I too just want to feel at peace,I'm tired of the endless battle and constant repetition of risks.I’m following this whole thread very closely.
I’m a type 1 teaching assistant in a middle school. (Years 5 to 8.)
My head fought with staff all throughout the summer about mask wearing, basically refusing point blank.
I sent numerous emails saying how much more vulnerable I am and he still said no.
In the end I asked my diabetes consultant to write to him insisting he allowed me to wear a mask.
This was still a problem for my head, he phoned saying he needed to discuss it further.
He knew in May my intention of returning to work in September, under the condition I wear a mask.
He did not carry out a risk assessment until yesterday, breaching the Union’s advice.
Then at the last minute, he said masks were optional in corridors but MUST be removed in class rooms. (Due to the government’s last minute guidelines.)
Four staff, (all in the NEU,) decided to start as we meant to go on and wore our masks on teacher training day. We did not remove them, making a point.
The head didn’t bring the matter up, we believe he realised he couldn’t do anything.
All staff move around school and the children stay in the same classroom throughout the day.
The classes are small and poorly ventilated, (old building,) all classes have 32-34 children sitting shoulder to shoulder, the teacher and a TA.
It’s very difficult to stay 2m away, I’m unable to support the children and I am following the ‘2m guidelines’ stringently.
All the other TA’s are ignoring the guidelines, they sit right next to the children and there is no social distancing between staff.
I brought this up with he head and he sent an email asking staff to remember to the 2m rule. It’s not made any difference.
He asked me what the school is doing well, I had to think of something. I told him hand sanitizer was a small bonus but it’s cancelled out by everything else.
I’m mixing with almost 300 children throughout the day, hot seating with their year group bubbles.
Following my meting with him (my union rep supported me) I went into the school office to get the laminator and the bitchy office manager and business manager said if I was so “scared” they would pass the laminator through the window.
They then told me I want allowed in an empty classroom to laminate as it was not scheduled to be used or cleaned until Monday.
I told them I would wipe down everything I touched in the classroom.
On return to the office with the laminator, the office manager literally threw the wet wipes at me and told me to wipe the laminator down. I told her I already had, and she replied, “yes, but you had to carry it down the corridor.”
This was uncalled for and since it happened right after my risk assessment meeting (the business manager took notes,) I feel the conversation i had in the meeting room has been discussed with the office manager, therefore breaking confidentiality.
I have used the laminator previously and was not asked to clean it, nor are any of my colleagues. We are all touching photo copiers and door handles constantly, and we all must remember to clean out hands as much as possible. It’s impossible to keep ‘clean’ 100%.
I’m extremely anxious and feel I’m the only one who cares, other than my union members and rep.
I mentioned what the office staff had said to my friend/colleague (who is also my union rep.)
She immediately said that was a union matter and low level bullying which could escalate. I gave her a full and detailed account of what was said and how I felt and she emailed my head on my behalf and as union rep.
He won’t accept the email unless I have an informal conversation as per the grievance policy. I told him I was not going to discuss it informally without my union rep. He won’t do it and said if I want it resolving it must be done as per the grievance policy.
Due to my fragile state, anxiety and stress, I do not want to have to go over things again and again. My blood sugars are all over the place, every say I go to work and something else happens.
Sadly, I don’t have the “fight” in me to peruse this grievance informally so the office staff have “won”.
This is not me, I fight for my rights.....
I just want peace.
****** hell, I can’t believe how much I’ve written...... if nobody reads it I can wholeheartedly understand. It’s get it off my chest so I suppose it’s been of benefit.
I want to see my GP and attempt to be signed off for anxiety. I feel physically sick, I can feel my heart beating in my throat, I’m shaky and can’t sleep, focus or smile. I’m so disengaged.
Happy weekend.....
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