Agree, and not just for employers. For some (and I am one of them) the mental health issues arise through not being able to continue as ‘normal’.
I don't think we can forget that employers can also have mental health challenges at this time. For many of those who want to trade, it must be a nightmare balancing their books.
Those who gave personal guarantees, or fixed and floating charges against overdrafts, loans or mortgages could quite readily be bricking it by now.
The proportion of privately owned, even family run - some for decades - in precarious situations or worse, must be huge.
For me, whichever way it goes, it's a no-win/no-win situation.
Tonight on TV I saw a young woman who said she had got covid in March despite having stayed indoors and last week a 70 year old woman who was recovering in hospital & said the same, she had been shielding. One can't know what they did wrong to get it but we have to assume that even for those who are shielding and don't have carers coming in there are still risks of catching it. Delivery people bringing food perhaps? It is obviously a highly infectious virus and I find it scary that even those who take extra care are getting it.
Tonight on TV I saw a young woman who said she had got covid in March despite having stayed indoors and last week a 70 year old woman who was recovering in hospital & said the same, she had been shielding. One can't know what they did wrong to get it but we have to assume that even for those who are shielding and don't have carers coming in there are still risks of catching it. Delivery people bringing food perhaps? It is obviously a highly infectious virus and I find it scary that even those who take extra care are getting it.
A news item I watched showed a survey testing hygiene in restaurants supposedly covid safe. Swabs of the tables found e coli. It's not dangerous like covid but this doesn't say much for either the hand washing of the customers or the management's cleaning procedures for wiping the tables between customers. Perhaps the tables got an occasional cursory wipe with a dirty cloth? Or none? I wonder if ordinary people like customers and waitresses are actually capable of sustaining, long term, the levels of cleanliness needed in a pandemic? Perhaps, after the first couple of days, enthusiasm for hygiene measures waned?
I would like to echo that as someone who works in hospitality albeit in the gym of a members' club, we are dilligent with our routines (one way, regular cleaning and additional deep cleaning, masks and numbers in the building aat any one time) sometimes to the irritation of members who enjoyed being more spontaneious!I can't say I have eaten out oodles during The COVID times, but I have done, including as recently as Friday.
All I can say is two-fold; firstly to admit that my focus, during my restaurant experience wasn't on supervising the waiting staff cleaning routines, but I did feel they were diligent in dealing with vacant tables, and with tables becoming vacant, and I have always found there to be plenty space between us and our next closest diners.
Did you happen to note the source of the information quoted in the article? I'd like to read that.
to be honest, in these times when the hospitality industries are fighting for their survival, I'd be astonished if they were being wilfully negligent, but then I'm not at the hub of any of these things.
I think it was a trailer for Dispatches next week. I agree, Covid aside, hygiene in cafes / take aways can be problematical. All you can do is look at the food rating which should be displayed. As you say if somewhere visibly looks unsavoury theres not a lot of hope for what's happening behind the scenes! Rather grim documentary last week about sandwich production!I would like to echo that as someone who works in hospitality albeit in the gym of a members' club, we are dilligent with our routines (one way, regular cleaning and additional deep cleaning, masks and numbers in the building aat any one time) sometimes to the irritation of members who enjoyed being more spontaneious!
I recently committed a minor infringement and have been hauled over the coals for it (I was mortified to have forgotten something).
I think if anyone shone a light over any surface where people have been you'd be hard pressed not to find something (analogous to constantly looking for the corona virus in healthy people) but I think people should make up their own minds if the place they are eating their food in looks clean, has staff with no dirt under their fingernails and messy hair etc. with pleasant toilets, to decide if they feel comfortable. You may wish to dodge the virus and presumably e coli infections too.
Alternatively if you come to my gym the mats are definitely clean enough to eat your dinner off!
I can remember many many moons ago in the days when you needed to wear a suit and tie to get into a nightclub and the music was actually worth hearing, after a few lagers or my old friend Jack D a late night kebab was always a necessity! The sort of kebab you would never have eaten sober! I remember asking if I could use their loo one night. I was directed around the back and even a tad worse for wear couldn't believe what I was seeing with food sitting on the floor and stacked high in dodgy looking hole ridden bags. Don't think we ate there again!!
I have every sympathy with you. It's a totally non sensical situation. If you were sat on a less crowded bus for a fraction of the time it would be illegal not to.!Another interesting meeting (by telephone). This time with occupational health. All I want to do is to be allowed to wear a face mask at work to reduce my risk of getting Covid and the possible severe illness that may follow. The problem I have is I work in a primary school and face masks are forbidden. This is causing great anxiety and I am currently signed of work by my GP (reluctantly).
Once again I was told we must follow the Government guidelines. There seem to be no circumstances, where I live and work, that allow any diversion from these. Everyone I have spoken to trots this phrase out.
I have found something online from my LA which is in its guidance to primary schools which states ‘Face coverings would have a negative impact on teaching and learning and so their use in the classroom should be avoided if possible, however there may be circumstances where you feel this request is reasonable, taking the individual’s circumstances into account, and you should keep this under review.’ This was the most recent advice I could find and dated 12th October 2020.
To me, as this is referring to staff, this opens the door for me to be allowed to wear a mask and alleviate my anxiety about being in the crowded classroom with no social distancing.
However, it seems, once again the recommendation is going to be ‘get counselling’ to help with my anxiety. I do have a counselling session booked, 5th December!
I am getting so frustrated that such a simple request is causing so many problems. I don’t hold out much hope that my request will be accepted and am beginning to think there is some hidden agenda with regard to the lack of precautions a vulnerable person is allowed to take in school.
There is a definite shift in GPs. Mine in March was definitely supportive about the risk of being exposed to Covid although admitted their was no box to tick for diabetics. What is behind this turn around I would love to know. As you say it's like talking to a brick wall and you definitely are made to feel you are being silly.!It is strange isn’t it how reluctant GPS are to acknowledge this illogical situation? I did have one who wrote to my school requesting that I should be allowed to wear a mask. However, during the time it took for the LA to decline my request we did have a staff member contract Covid19. When I telephoned her for advice she basically told me I was overreacting and that I had nothing to fear. I was advised to go to work with no protection! I never slept that night, awoke with a migraine so my husband called me in sick.
I totally agree re counselling. I am not usually an anxious person but the lack of being able to protect myself is causing my anxiety. I’m fine when I don’t have to go in. I do want to work. I have explained this to GPs and now occupational health but I might as well be talking to my cat.
I have been doing my job for 18 years and on the whole have thoroughly enjoyed helping children to achieve their potential and would like to carry on doing this. I am however, seriously considering my options, one of which is resigning which seems ridiculous considering I’m only asking to wear a face mask!
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