good evening l attended the Desmond course and like you said l never learnt anything out of it as l had enough info which was better than Desmond my advise take this opportunity it’s a tick box got your Dn and you can then decide , we all know that diabetes is about low carb and exercise and a ping sugary drinks and etcI have been forced by my better half and daughter to attend this course on Thursday..
I have also been told to be compliant. The problem is I dont believe the NHS advice. From the moment I met my specialist DN I have had no confidence in the information given to me. Some of it was downright bollicks!
SO can anyone tell me how to deal with this course, is it worth asking questions etc etc. Or is it a lost cause
Funny answers are most welcome
\Rab
IMO everyone, however misguided, has something to teach me. In addition, the social contact sounds promising. And you may be able to help someone else with your low carb awareness, maybe quietly in the coffee (and biscuit) break.Oh no, I was diagnosed in December as type 2 and attending my first part of the Xpert course tomorrow. I have done my homework but thought it would be a good thing to do, not sure now!
I wonder if she had been on one.The consultant today said I wouldn't get anything out of a DAFNE course. I don't know whether she was complimenting me or what
As a possible pre-LADA I have squirrelled your post away for future reference, should the time come. It will be a comfort to me, and I shall try to insist on going on one.My dad is Type 1 - he's really educated and informed and always has been, he found Daphne incredibly useful. He raves about it years later. Maybe it's not the absolute waste of time the type 2 courses seem to be.
Did they tell you about LCHF diet or reversing the illness?The DESMOND course I attended was excellent. The trainers knew 'their stuff' and had quizzes etc to test our knowledge before starting to give information about that particular food. I didn't find it a waste of time was very informative.
I have just done the xpert course. The leader was really nice, but didn't really know much.
She was t1d and told us that it was all our own fault. Not in so many words, but she did say that she keeps telling her husband that if he does not watch his weight he will end up with t2d.
She said that there are no long term studies of lchf, didn't know about its use for other health problems or why its a good idea.
She said take metformin with food because it works on the food response (?) and that it is useless to take it without food. Not because of tummy problems, but because of the insulin response!
She took time to explain the starvation mode (I kid you not) and said that t2ds must not use intermittent fasting.
She said that we could eat up to 260grms carbs a day, but less was ok. But not too much less. But we needed to eat carbs because that is brain food.
She said we can eat anything we like, so long as we don't eat too much. No mention of carb craving, hunger response etc.
She di9dnt know anything about reasons for t2d, except we are all fat. Not everyone in class is overweight. I am not, but she made no mention of that)
She did give us all a glucose metre and said she would ensure we all get given strips. Hurray!! But then said we only need to test once or in exceptional circumstances, twice a month. Not a day. A month. How that helps I am not sure.
On the other hand she did explain food labels, which was correct.
It has taken nearly a year to get on this course, and I am so glad for the delay. If I had got on it at the beginning I would not have gone looking for myself and found this forum, Jason fung and keto.
I did start out thinking I was going to argue, but decided not to--not because I am shy but because I think that for about 2/3 of the class this was probably the only input they have had into t2d. Some of us had already done a fair bit of digging, but most had not. Some had never heard of carbohydrates although we all had heard of calories.
Nothing I said was going to make any difference to her and it would have confused some of the others. I did disagree with her on the section about carbs and fasting, but she just skated over the bits I disagreed with--and just carried on.
My experience has just shown me that no one size fits all. Some people needed a great deal more than the few classes that were offered and some (like me) probably didn't need any. It is not a good system but is better than nothing.
There is a written appraisal and I will be honest. But I don't think much will change. It takes actual money to change anything. And as long as the nhs is willing to pay for this rubbish it will keep getting pushed on us as helpful.
Strangely enough, the book was far more helpful, more balanced and much more up to date. Think there might be a problem with the training.
Sorry, not a funny response!!!
I have been forced by my better half and daughter to attend this course on Thursday..
I have also been told to be compliant. The problem is I dont believe the NHS advice. From the moment I met my specialist DN I have had no confidence in the information given to me. Some of it was downright bollicks!
SO can anyone tell me how to deal with this course, is it worth asking questions etc etc. Or is it a lost cause
Funny answers are most welcome
\Rab
Not directly, but the information given was very good and it demonstrated how much sugar is 'hidden' in certain types of food and advised to avoid them. Also advised us regarding 'empty calories', all in all I found it very good and made me more aware of pitfalls - where I thought a certain food was OK to eat but found it that was a definitely was a NO NO! I find it very difficult to follow LCHF as I don't eat any fish or fowl, but would like to say my daughter has lost 25lbs since the new Year on this type of eating and is really enjoying it.Did they tell you about LCHF diet or reversing the illness?
Rab
I volunteered to take part in the Biobank project. After numerous tests and questions, we were finally rewarded with a cholesterol test, results, and advice on healthy eating to improve those results. After that, it was time for the final reward - coffee and BISCUITS. I was initially very enthusiastic about this project, but stopped participating after the first questionnaire. It asked me whether I was (a) vegetarian or (b) ate meat? There was no "other" option, so as I was at that time a vegetarian who ate fish, or pescatarian, I could not give a truthful answer. There were other questions that were similarly impossible to answer eg, "How many times a week do you eat tomatoes?" There was no definition as to what counted as "eating tomatoes" - one slice, tomato puree? and there was no way to say that one's diet varied from week to week. Ever since I have felt much less convinced by research conclusions based on questionnaires.On the DESMOND course I attended the nurse said "We are now going to break for coffee." She then added pointedly "There won't be any biscuits!"
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