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Diabetes 2

Viv0147

Well-Known Member
Messages
172
Location
Wales
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Dislikes
there isn't much I dislike maybe rude and aggressive people
Hello everyone I am a 67 year old single male, and although being diagnosed about 2 years ago with diabetes 2 other than taking tablets I haven't done a great deal about it. I also have heart problems and circulation so after a short walk my legs begin to hurt so I don't do hardly any exercise my current weight is 16 stone.
I have been taking one metformin in the morning and one after my evening meal but because my sugars are higher my Doctor has changed it to three a day so hence my visit hear! I need to change my eating habits and lose weight and get my sugars under control, so this is obviously the place to be to get the help I need. Since I was first diagnosed I stopped smoking and I made a change to my diet but from what I have read on here so far it was totally wrong! I have been having cereal porridge, weetabix, shredded wheat, rye bread tinned beans and every day for lunch a fresh fruit salad with at least 5 different fruits with yogurt over the top or ice-cream so at this moment in time I am extremely confused as far as my diet is concerned so any advice suggestions and help would be very much appreciated. Thanks
 
This gives a simple overview to how it works.., I think if it was me, everything but the unsweetened yoghurt has to go :)
For me, the more carbs we eat the more carbs we want. They don’t give up easy and it’s biochemical



a long page and a few good video’s
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/lowcarb101/a/firstweek.htm

From the @Southport GP study on diet
http://www.practicaldiabetes.com/SpringboardWebApp/userfiles/espdi/file/March 2014/PP Unwin final proofs revised.pdf
 
@Viv0147

Hello Viv and welcome to the forum :)

First, congratulations on stopping smoking! I know from experience how difficult that is. Your diet is not good unfortunately as you need to reduce all the carby foods you are eating now and start eating low carb. In this advice which we give to new members you will see a lot of information on carbs which should help you to make adjustments to your diet. Then you should see your levels start to drop. Have you got a testing kit? You need to get yourself one, either from your doctor, or, unfortunately, buy one yourself if he won't give you one. That way you can see what effect foods have on you and work out what you can eat and what you can't eat. Ask as many questions as you like as there is always someone to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 140,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hello everyone I am a 67 year old single male, and although being diagnosed about 2 years ago with diabetes 2 other than taking tablets I haven't done a great deal about it. I also have heart problems and circulation so after a short walk my legs begin to hurt so I don't do hardly any exercise my current weight is 16 stone.
I have been taking one metformin in the morning and one after my evening meal but because my sugars are higher my Doctor has changed it to three a day so hence my visit hear! I need to change my eating habits and lose weight and get my sugars under control, so this is obviously the place to be to get the help I need. Since I was first diagnosed I stopped smoking and I made a change to my diet but from what I have read on here so far it was totally wrong! I have been having cereal porridge, weetabix, shredded wheat, rye bread tinned beans and every day for lunch a fresh fruit salad with at least 5 different fruits with yogurt over the top or ice-cream so at this moment in time I am extremely confused as far as my diet is concerned so any advice suggestions and help would be very much appreciated. Thanks

Welcome to the forum Viv0147, you have come to a great place.

We have a few things in common, we both stopped smoking, we both have heart problems, I lost 88 lbs weight and you are starting to lose. You are a bit younger than I but I dont think age matters much here, its NEVER too late to regain your health.

I used to have terrible legs pains during walking until I gave it up. Later in an act of desperation I gave it another go and very slowly felt that things were getting better. Now I belt out 6 Km 6 days a week on my treadmill. I am sure that you also will be able to realise real improvements too.

Read the forums, ask all the questions you want, and everybody here will do their very best to help you.

You will probably be interested in using the LCHF diet ie low carbohydrate high fat diet which many here use with great success.

There is a special section on diets on the FORUMS page.

All the best to you on your road to regaining good health again.

P.S If you dont already have a glucometer and test strips I suggest that you purchase both items.
 
Hi @Viv0147 , welcome :)

Yes you have found out, unfortunately the hard way, that NHS dietary advice to diabetics is rubbish.

But don't panic, making the right changes can help get your BGs under better control and likely help you lose weight too. Cutting down carbohydrates to a minimum is the key, as well as the obvious sugars.

Have a read of the items in my sig below, especially the first one, and ask any questions.
 
Hi and welcome. As others have said, keep the carbs down and don't worry about protein or fat. For breakfast eggs and bacon or similar is better than cereals or just have small portion of no-sugar added muesli. Watch out added sugar in yogurt and baked beans; go for the low-sugar beans. Try to avoid tropical fruit. Nothing is banned but just be aware of what's in the ood you do eat.
 
Hello everyone I am a 67 year old single male, and although being diagnosed about 2 years ago with diabetes 2 other than taking tablets I haven't done a great deal about it. I also have heart problems and circulation so after a short walk my legs begin to hurt so I don't do hardly any exercise my current weight is 16 stone.
I have been taking one metformin in the morning and one after my evening meal but because my sugars are higher my Doctor has changed it to three a day so hence my visit hear! I need to change my eating habits and lose weight and get my sugars under control, so this is obviously the place to be to get the help I need. Since I was first diagnosed I stopped smoking and I made a change to my diet but from what I have read on here so far it was totally wrong! I have been having cereal porridge, weetabix, shredded wheat, rye bread tinned beans and every day for lunch a fresh fruit salad with at least 5 different fruits with yogurt over the top or ice-cream so at this moment in time I am extremely confused as far as my diet is concerned so any advice suggestions and help would be very much appreciated. Thanks
Hello Viv and welcome to the forum, you are in the right place. I am only diagnosed as Type 2 less than three months and I need to lose about 50lbs in weigh. It is a comfort for all of us to know we are not alone in our struggles. As has been already said get a Glucose Meter and strips immediately. I had to really stand my ground with my GP in order to get one but there is no way of knowing which foods rise our blood sugars and which don't without a meter. I can have 25g of dark chocolate without it hardly affecting my levels at all so it isn't all bad news! But test for yourself! I eat the 10% fat Greek Yoghurt but pay attention to portion sizes. There is a great book called 'Carbs and Cals' and it shows you in photos what various portion sizes of foods contain in carbs. I was ashamed of myself for the huge portions I used to eat - some with over 100g of carbs e.g. Pasta, rice, potatoes, bread and porridge. Good news is that a big steak doesn't contain any carbs! Muscles burn the most glucose so simple things like holding a can of tomatoes in each hand and doing arm lifts with them can help reduce your sugar levels.
Keep optimistic and keep us up to date on how you are getting on,
Ellie
 
Well thank you all for your replies and information I think it's going to take me quite a while to get to grips with it all it's a minefield out there in the land of food I rang my doctors yesterday and asked about a meter but I was told they only provide them to people who use insulin so it look like I may have to buy the kit ( any recommendations ) Also is the any really good alternative to bread. Thanks
 
Well thank you all for your replies and information I think it's going to take me quite a while to get to grips with it all it's a minefield out there in the land of food I rang my doctors yesterday and asked about a meter but I was told they only provide them to people who use insulin so it look like I may have to buy the kit ( any recommendations ) Also is the any really good alternative to bread. Thanks

Look here , plenty of information on how to make flax bread,http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/search/3418915/?q=Flax+bread&o=date

By the way I just searched this very forum for the info. See at top of page on the right hand side. "search the diabetes forum"

Re the blood glucose meter you can also search the forum or wait for some to come along and give you their advice. I am not English or even living in England so that they will have a far better idea of whats good and reliable in your market place.
 
Hi. Many recommend the SD Codefree meter (Amazon etc) as it has low-cost strips. Most manufacturers will provide a free meter but the strips can be expensive so check; they can be bought on the web.
 
I bought my SD Codefree from Amazon along with some strips and that got me started 2 months ago. Since then I've bought all my strips from Home Health as they give a substantial discount if you buy in bulk. The strips for the SD Codefree are much cheaper than strips for other machines but, because I made a mistake in the payment phase of my last online order, I actually ran out of strips so I bought a Accu-check meter and some strips from Boots the chemist down the road. I'm keeping that as my back-up machine as I can replenish the strips quicker than ordering on-line just in case I ever have another ordering mistake or my SD Codefree breaks down. At this early stage in my 'recovery' I wouldn't want to be without the tools for testing.

Have a look here .http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm
If you buy 5 boxes (250 strips) or 10 boxes (500 strips) there is a substantial discount.
Promo codes 5 boxes 264086 or 10 boxes 975833
 
Hi again Viv, how are you feeling today? I am quite outraged at your doctor for refusing you a meter! Considering that you have had a heart attack and major heart surgery I would have thought your GP would have made an exception for you without hesitation. I live in Ireland so our health system is different to the NHS but I still can't believe he refused you a meter. Still your health is the most important thing at the moment so if you can find the money then buy a meter and strips as soon as you can. I miss bread too. I make crackers from ground linseed seeds and I make biscuits from ground nuts and Xylitol or Splenda (xylitol is expensive). The net is teeming with low carb recipes so google away.
Bye for now
Ellie
 
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