Its very simple really.. cut out as many carbs as you can.. skip a meal when you feel able and measure your bloods regularly to keep an eye on them. I'm a Fung fan so would recommend him over Cavan any day of the week and having heard them both speak I know who I would follow.Yes indeed. There is far too much in terms of conflicting advice so one ends up just ignoring all of it. My Darling Hubby works 6 days a week landscaping so I think he’s safely covered doing all that exercise. I am waiting for his new BG machine to arrive so we too will measure him and judge the spikes that way. I have more or less given up reading and research as I don’t know who to believe. Dr Cavan on page 113 says he wouldn’t go on any of the low carb diets!! Think we will just eat normally but less cake etc. Test Blood glucose to see what spikes him and just be as active as we can and just take our chances with life. I honestly don’t feel anyone yet has done enough research to prove anything about diabetes really. Feeling quite depressed about it all
What on earth are we supposed to think and do. Both are highly respected but who do we believe and why?
When I started out I read a whole lot of books, often contradictory, and certainly completely opposite to what my specialists and dieticians were telling me, and you know what? I just used the advice that made sense to me. And it made sense when my meter told me I wasn't spiking, it made sense when the infections and fungii went away... Diabetes is a highly personal thing and we just have to figure out what works for us, individually. I found Fung helpful so far, and I'm at a point where I feel this diet, as I'm doing it, is doable for me. I'm fine nutrient-wise, my HbA1c is good, and I have a good relationship with food now. (At the start it was rocky, I felt like all food was poison and I didn't know what was okay anymore). Just find what works for you. For me it's keto with IF, for others it's moderate low carb, LCHF or just meds and insulin. It's your life, you decide what you want to do with it and how you find it enjoyable to live it. Am I a keto advocate? I guess I am. But not if it makes a person miserable. Good luck finding your way!Hello, for all those out there I share Dr. Jason Fung video on diabetes 2 for those who may have questions unanswered, require more info to assist in anyway, that is eloquently explained in simple terms and puts many areas into perspective.
Hope this shared knowledge proves of some help in someway?
Good afternoon everyone,
Some very interesting posts and I have view/read all of it and have come to this conclusion.
I/We feel that LCHF as per the Diet Doctor is far too extreme for us and are reverting to 'better than normal' - in that we are going to cut the ****** carbs right back and make better choices, but no way can we follow the tiny amounts permitted on LCHF.
Life eating all that meat, eggs, salad, veg is miserable and not sustainable long term. We would rather eat better most of the time but still enjoy that odd treat. I find it worrying that Diet Doctor website goes on about LCHF - but the whole site is steered towards virtually no carb - KETO in other words - the only reference I can find to moderate/liberal carb is one graphic and that's it - there is very little advice otherwise.
Basically isn't this the same diet at The Atkins - which has been slammed left right and centre.....
Atkins had lots of heart attacks I believe!?
Like I have said, the conflicting information generally and on this site is awful to cope with and we have been left depressed by it I am sad to say. I have seen and read that we cannot believe at least half of the research that is out there as the Medics and Pharma are basically lying to us. Where does one start believing one over the other? We cant - especially as everyone seems to have a vested interest..... The Low Carb Program is there, but they want money - The Diet Doctor - the same, money every month. Its all money making I fear and for us - undermines the advice. It will take 20-40 years to see the real outcome of all this - in the meantime a lot of people are going to be making a nice little bundle.
Some months ago I watched a Netflix Documentary and in it they mentioned cauliflower sales had plummeted. I didn't think anything of it at the time - but guess what - we are all being told that cauliflowers are brilliant for us and we can even make mash out of them and forget the potatoes…...I wonder what the sales of cauliflower have done over the last few months!? And who is behind/profiting from this? We have eaten at least 15 since we tried the LCHF! Prior to that we had it once a month if at all....
Again - Coconuts/Oil - where has all this come from? Suddenly its all the rage - again who is behind all this? I tried the oil for cooking and it was absolutely disgusting. How is it produced I wonder, what process does it go through before it reaches us - I don't believe its all natural - it is still processed.
Then we are told the drugs from the Doctor are life savers - then they are removed - this has happened a few times now - so again, how can we trust that route? Metformin is said to protect us from heart disease - but is this true? - are they going to remove it in 5 years or something?
I also find it disturbing that the figure for making someone a Diabetic has been reduced over the years - from America I think in the first place then over here - that just catches more Diabetics/customers/revenue. I don't believe for a second it was from research or anything like that - it is just a good way to fish. A similar thing happed to me with my Doctor about Blood Pressure...….She said I had BP - I didn't agree and I have had it check regularly at home and privately and I have not got BP problems - she had prescribed me Atenlone before I could say jack rabbit!
If the reason to reduce the limit was based on research - what research?- we cannot believe at least half of that remember.
I am sticking to Dr Cavans way as I think he is more down to earth and his advice is reasonable and more sustainable. He gives good advice - cut back, do small things to improve your diet, walk, and relax about Diabetes - the horrific leg amputations and blindness are not inevitable he says and I believe that. There is too much fear being spread around Diabetes - this is not helpful as people will just stop trying and give into it - especially when they cannot cope with such extremes like LCHF, 20g Carbs per day etc.....for the rest of their lives.
Page 113 From Dr Cavans books...."How many carbs should I eat"? - and I quote - IF YOU SEARCH FOR LOW CARBOHYDRATE DIETS ONLINE YOU WILL FIND ALL MANNER OF DIETS ON OFFER. MY ONE PIECE OF ADVICE AT THIS STAGE IS NOT TO GO FOR ANY OF THEM, AND TO GENERALLY STEER CLEAR OF VERY LOW CARBOHYDRATE DIETS, SUCH AS THE ATKINS - FOR THREE MAIN REASONS...
1. BY REDUCING CARB INTAKE TO LESS THAN 20G PER DAY YOU WILL EXCLUDE ALL SORTS OF HEALTHY NUTRIENTS, THIS COULD LEAD TO NUTRITIONAL DEFICIENCIES.
2. THESE DIETS OFTEN SUGGEST EATING A HIGH AMOUNT OF FAT, WHICH MAY NOT IN ITSELF BE VERY HEALTHY.
3. SUCH A LOW CARB DIET IS RARELY SUSTAINABLE IN THE LONG TERM.
So this contradicts Dr Fung/Diet Doctor and yet both/all books are recommended by this website? ????
See why we are upset and confused...
Diabetes is now HUGE BUSINESS and I am sure an awful lot of people are making some serious dough out of this! Pardon the pun!
We have to weigh this up with what is REALLY THE BEST WAY TO COPE WITH THIS DIABETES PROBLEM. I just know that it is mentioned EVERYWHERE these days and there are a lot of websites sprouting up and diet books etc being sold on the back of this.
We will just deal with it ourselves and test at home and have a yearly test from the Doctor - got a new one we feel we can trust - for now - until the incentives for them increase - which they will - to push harder unproved drugs on us.
We will cut back on the ****** carbs like I said and keep it all in perspective, have the eye tests, watch our feet, eat well 90% of the time. Walk the dogs more often, swim etc and generally keep calm as all this Diabetes stuff increases the old Cortisol I am sure - and that is not good.
No wonder Doctors don't want us testing at home as this might put paid to their drug prescriptions and their incentives if they get them - if we can control it ourselves by self testing then we don't have to rely on them and their lies/indifference.
Paranoid? - me? - maybe - but is it really any wonder?
I wish you all - all of the very best and I will say goodbye and thank you for all the help/views and support - but after this I will close my account on here as I have also found out it is a PRIVATE COMPANY - I always thought this website was a Charity! This changes everything.
Pretty sure you're right. I've been a member since 2012 and have never had a hint of anything along those lines. Nobody is forcing anyone to sign up for the low carb program since it started charging, nobody is forcing anyone to sign up for any of the the promotions happening on the main site rather than the forum. None of the moderators get paid AFAIK - everything they do is voluntary.I would like to know which of the posters have any connection to the site or its commercial side though as I thought all of the posters were just 'simple' members of the public.
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