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6cats

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Hi. I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes on the 29th February. I have been put straight onto Metformin 1500 and Ziclazide 40 a day. I have lost over 2 stone in 2 months. I have no idea what my Hba1c is because I was too shocked to take in the details being thrown at me! I have been given a monitor but I have no idea when or how often to test blood glucose levels. I have made a start and the levels over the past 10 days have gone from 17.1 to 4.3 and this is on a very low carb diet. I have been told by some to test before and after every meal at least until things have stabilised, the practice nurse said once a day! I have no idea what I am doing really and the surgery is not helpful. I have to go back in 8 weeks (beginning of April) to have a further Hba1c blood test. The situation is compounded by the fact that I take thyroxine. In December I was told that my thyroxine level was 'well within the limit' even though I felt awful and had been on it for 32 years, so I was well aware of the issues, no mention of high BG levels, just a concern about my liver and a proposed scan that never happened! I went back in Feb and was told it was all stress but I insisted on a blood screen. Lo and behold I had needed an extra 25 mgs of Thyroxine for the past three months and I was diabetic. Was the lack of thyroxine enough to tip me into diabetes and should I have been told about high BG levels? What is a 'normal' Hba1c reading? I understand that Metformin is introduced over 3 weeks and this will obviously have a further impact as time goes by but it makes sense to me to test regularly at the start or do I have this all wrong????? I have bought a couple of books which have been helpful but nothing seems to be consistent. Sorry if its all a bit garbled.
 
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Liam1955

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@6cats - Hello and Welcome to the Forum.:) That's good you were given a Meter, it's a good idea to keep a food diary and record what you eat and your blood sugars - before and 2 hours after and over time you will see what foods give you spikes, a lot of forum members follow the LCHF diet (Low Carb High Fat). :)
 

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In December I was told that my thyroxine level was 'well within the limit' even though I felt awful and had been on it for 32 years, so I was well aware of the issues, no mention of high BG levels, just a concern about my liver and a proposed scan that never happened! I went back in Feb and was told it was all stress but I insisted on a blood screen. Lo and behold I had needed an extra 25 mgs of Thyroxine for the past three months and I was diabetic.

Hypothyrodism and diabetes are frequently found together, but if there is a causal connection I haven't seen it documented.

I do have a suggestion for thyroxine, though. In the US, the standard is to test TSH levels (which is an indirect and inaccurate measure) of thyroid functioning. I have Hashimoto's (autoimmune hypothyroidism). Better doctors (including mine) orders T4, T3, and rT3 tests at every visit. When the thyroid is not functioning well, the body does not necessarily convert T4 (thyroxine) to T3 (a happy hormone, according to my doctor) - it converts some of it to rT3 (a sad hormone according to my doctor). He's just added a smidgen of synthetic T3 to my routine, since I'm turning too much of the T4 into rT3 - even though my general thyroid bloodwork would suggest everything is just fine. Since you've been feeling lousy, you might ask your doctor if s/he can test the thyroid enzymes directly.

I view my meter as a tool to give me information to manage my diabetes. In the US, the medical community generally tells us to test at 2 hours and to make sure the blood glucose level is back down below 10 mmol/dl. Since my goal is to never go above 7.8 mmol (the normal peak for people without diabetes) in the first place, that guide doesn't help that much. To be successful I need to know how much a particular food is likely to increase my blood glucose, and how long it is likely to stay high. So I test before I eat (to see where it started), at 1, 2, and (if hour 2 is higher than hour 1) 3 hours after eating. The peak is normally somewhere between .5 and 1.5 hours, so normally by the second hour the level is below the first hour.

That sounds like an overwhelming amount of testing - and it can be. But it is what I need to develop a comfort about what I can eat and what I can't. And I've now tested tons of things that I can now eat without bothering to check, since I know they are safe. (You can see from my sig line where I started and where I am now - just 5 months later.)

Good luck in this crazy, overwhelming world of diabetes!
 

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Hello @6cats and welcome to the forum @daisy1 will be along shortly with some helpful information that is given to all new posters. Please ask any questions you may have and someone will answer
 

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Hi 6cats and everyone else I was diagnosed type2 two weeks ago, the surgery is not particularly helpful in answering my questions regarding my diagnosis. They didn't even tell me about self testing my blood glucose levels. I was put on 1000mg of Metformin straight away and told if I have any questions ask the diabetic nurse she will tell you anything you need to know. My appointment with the diabetic nurse is four weeks away and I have been learning so much from this forum and the diabetes.co.uk site.
I got myself a SD Codefree meter and test before an 2 hours after every meal. This is invaluable as I am very quickly learning what causes my glucose levels to spike. Back on track regarding your post, if we were given the correct advice from the GP on diagnosis, instead of being cast out into the wilderness so to speak. Then as diabetes sufferers we could be more prepared for what was needed to be done.
My levels are all over the place and I have an issue with a fatty liver but I am constantly reading about others experiences, this is helping me come to terms with what was a great shock.
I find this forum a great help and you get so much support through it. I really hope your issues get sorted out, good luck.
 
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@6cats

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful, in addition to the answers to your post. Ask more questions if you need to and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

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Hi @6cats and welcome to the forum. It is all confusing when you first get that diagnosis and takes a bit of time to get your head around it all. But there is a lot of good advice and support on here. Well done on adopting a low carb diet and reducing your BS levels from 17.1 to 4.3. The 'normal' (non-diabetic) level is anything below 7 mmol/L, so you have brought your levels down to non-diabetic levels. But the HbA1c blood test measures your BS levels over the previous 8-12 weeks.