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why would they want us to live long happy retirements? you can bet the people making these advice guidelines eat low carb if they or their loved ones get db, wow how sceptical am i....sorry
 
Thommothebear said:
Bear in mind that was 7-8 years ago, at that time there was no mention of what type of potatoes, rice, bread or pasta should be included, at least on the course I had this year they recommended new potatoes, wholegrain bread, basmati rice and wholemeal pasta. But they are still pushing porridge which I cannot cope with at all. Then theres the fruit on top of that, no mention of what kinds of fruit to avoid.
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I'm ok with porridge, but then again its a balancing act as I'm aware of it.
For example, I did a dive, in icy water, very strenuous, and was more than happy with a pot of instant porridge before getting back in and doing the same again.
Even if I wasn't that good with it, I was burning energy both on keeping warm, strenuous exercise, so it would have been more favourable than sitting on the sofa watching tv eating it.
 
Getting back to you AnnieC hope you get the support you need and make the right choices for you, not easy, think it's going to take me ages and the needs of my body change....
So many different experiences from everyone, you have to take a step back sometimes, time for yourself, as I have learnt we can only discuss our experiences, feelings, opioions from personal choice....
Know one knows all our other health problems, and what everyone has really experienced.....we only know what we read...
Do what is right for you.....best wishes Kat
 
The bottom line for me is to give somebody a diet sheet, any diet sheet, and say this WILL work for you and give them no means to verify that that is indeed the case, or point out that they may have to tweak it is plainly very, very bad advice.

I noticed recently that they latest ones they leave lying round the surgery waiting room carries a very prominent logo of a prominent manufacturer of processed foods. Quite inappropriate in my view.
 
Let's see if I've got this right. You are saying that the NHS gives dietary advice that they know is relatively bad for diabetics as a pragmatic response to the fact that the current diets of the newly-diagnosed are even worse and they couldn't cope with the truth. The NHS does this on the assumption that once diabetics have mastered this diet they will somehow grasp that eating lots of starchy carbs, bananas etc are actually sending their BGs soaring and these enlightened diabetics will then modify their diet towards what the NHS would recommend if it dared (they will have had to intuit all this, of course, as they won't be using meters and test strips, which they have been actively discouraged from using). You have a far more cynical view of the NHS than I do. I prefer to think that these are badly-informed dieticians who genuinely believe that PLENTY (their word, not mine) of starchy carbs are necessary to health, and that any fruit is healthy and must therefore be OK even for diabetics. I'm not arguing for a low-carb diet -- the NHS is not advising that t2s reduce their carbs, and it is not advising that they need to test. I don't think that is 'realistic' pragmatism.
 
Not one of us will ever get it right, no mater how hard we try, wish there was a magic pill, would love to eat what I want when I want. Our health is so important I just make my own mind up about what is best for me ........:)
 
equipoise said:
Let's see if I've got this right. You are saying that the NHS gives dietary advice that they know is relatively bad for diabetics as a pragmatic response to the fact that the current diets of the newly-diagnosed are even worse and they couldn't cope with the truth. The NHS does this on the assumption that once diabetics have mastered this diet they will somehow grasp that eating lots of starchy carbs, bananas etc are actually sending their BGs soaring and these enlightened diabetics will then modify their diet towards what the NHS would recommend if it dared (they will have had to intuit all this, of course, as they won't be using meters and test strips, which they have been actively discouraged from using). You have a far more cynical view of the NHS than I do. I prefer to think that these are badly-informed dieticians who genuinely believe that PLENTY (their word, not mine) of starchy carbs are necessary to health, and that any fruit is healthy and must therefore be OK even for diabetics. I'm not arguing for a low-carb diet -- the NHS is not advising that t2s reduce their carbs, and it is not advising that they need to test. I don't think that is 'realistic' pragmatism.
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No. I'm saying they give advice that's relatively good for diabetics.
I also doubt the majority will move on, if they even move onto the nhs diet.
I also doubt we're in the majority on this forum.
How many stories do you hear of diabetics who won't stop eating the chips, won't test, don't seem to want to accept they have to change?
I've always said everyone should be given meters and strips.
If not, Ebay is always a good source though, look how many others are selling theirs on.

As an aside, my nhs dietician is brilliant, she started on the normal nhs diet, we worked together to fine tune it to me, when she saw I was dedicated enough to carry on, and also knew what I personally could tolerate.It was two way though, and she had some very good suggestions for me
 
douglas99 said:
No. I'm saying they give advice that's relatively good for diabetics.
I also doubt the majority will move on, if they even move onto the nhs diet.
I also doubt we're in the majority on this forum.
How many stories do you hear of diabetics who won't stop eating the chips, won't test, don't seem to want to accept they have to change?
I've always said everyone should be given meters and strips.
If not, Ebay is always a good source though, look how many others are selling theirs on.

As an aside, my nhs dietician is brilliant, she started on the normal nhs diet, we worked together to fine tune it to me, when she saw I was dedicated enough to carry on, and also knew what I personally could tolerate.It was two way though, and she had some very good suggestions for me
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Hi Douglas I work in partnership with my dietician, it has been a good way forward for me....
 
Kat100 said:
Hi Douglas I work in partnership with my dietician, it has been a good way forward for me....
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Mine has been the inspiration to me, and is solely successful in turning me around, and losing the 4 stone.
 
I am prediabetic so my circumstances are a bit different. I have had one appointment with the DN and she did mention eating starch - slow release ones. We briefly discussed diet (cutting out sugar and low fat) to lose weight and when I said I had already lost weight she said you seem to be doing the right things. She didn't give me a diet sheet. What happens next will I expect depend on my Hb1ac and cholesterol results which will be end of January. I have read lots on here and am taking lots of advice but at the ,moment my diet is trial and error and I will make more of a decision when I get my results.
 
douglas99 said:
No. I'm saying they give advice that's relatively good for diabetics.
I also doubt the majority will move on, if they even move onto the nhs diet.
I also doubt we're in the majority on this forum.
How many stories do you hear of diabetics who won't stop eating the chips, won't test, don't seem to want to accept they have to change?
I've always said everyone should be given meters and strips.
If not, Ebay is always a good source though, look how many others are selling theirs on.

As an aside, my nhs dietician is brilliant, she started on the normal nhs diet, we worked together to fine tune it to me, when she saw I was dedicated enough to carry on, and also knew what I personally could tolerate.It was two way though, and she had some very good suggestions for me
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You are right, we are a minority who have decided to look after our health Read the figures here of people who are not prepared to make any changes.
Interesting that most fear blindness and yet heart attacks and strokes are the biggest killers for diabetics.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/health/447070/Millions-with-diabetes-are-refusing-to-diet-or-exercise
 
fatbird said:
Read through the forums-low carb success stories outweigh all others.

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Well, I don't suppose those who low carb without success would post. But, thats a good enough reason as any, as much in the fact that people who dont low carb, have good numbers and control with no other problems are just dismissed.

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The NHS fail-don't you agree? The recommended diet fails.

Results for England. The National Diabetes Audit 2010-2011

Percentage of registered Type 1 patients in England

HbA1c >= 6.5% (48 mmol/mol) = 92.6%
HbA1c > 7.5% (58 mmol/mol) = 71.3%
HbA1c > 10.0% (86 mmol/mol) = 18.1%

Percentage of registered Type 2 patients in England

HbA1c >= 6.5% (48 mmol/mol = 72.5%
HbA1c > 7.5% (58 mmol/mol) = 32.6%
HbA1c >10.0% (86 mmol/mol) = 6.8%

These results are very similar to those obtained in previous NHS audits over the past 5 - 6 years.

http://www.hqip.org.uk/assets/NCAPOP-Library/NCAPOP-2012-13/Diabetes-Audit-Report-2010-11-Care-Process-and-Treatment-Targets-published-2012.pdf

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fatbird said:
The NHS fail-don't you agree? The recommended diet fails.

Results for England. The National Diabetes Audit 2010-2011

Percentage of registered Type 1 patients in England

HbA1c >= 6.5% (48 mmol/mol) = 92.6%
HbA1c > 7.5% (58 mmol/mol) = 71.3%
HbA1c > 10.0% (86 mmol/mol) = 18.1%

Percentage of registered Type 2 patients in England

HbA1c >= 6.5% (48 mmol/mol = 72.5%
HbA1c > 7.5% (58 mmol/mol) = 32.6%
HbA1c >10.0% (86 mmol/mol) = 6.8%

These results are very similar to those obtained in previous NHS audits over the past 5 - 6 years.

FB
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Depends on whether or not you imagine every patient strictly follows the nhs diet.
If you really believe that, I guess you would blame the nhs for the figures.
Kind of missed the reality though.
 
dont you find it weird that theres an them and us kind of argument going on? isnt it us and us? with different methods of reaching the same goals? why cant we all be right? and wrong folks are the folks ignoring things?
 
If the nhs had a nurse for each patient 24\7 ensuring the patient ate a sensible diet accompanied by their recommended excercise figures would be significantly different in the diabetic population.

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Andy12345 said:
dont you find it weird that theres an them and us kind of argument going on? isnt it us and us? with different methods of reaching the same goals? why cant we all be right? and wrong folks are the folks ignoring things?
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Very very true.
 
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