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Diet Doctor Low Carb Challenge

Should have added still haven't lost that other 1/2 lb to take me down to the next lb. So weight still stuck - no doubt it will start shifting again eventually.
Not planning on jabbing again before tonight unless I get any weird readings.
 
I gained a pound this week - which is strange because I thought I was very good with food last week. I'm going to give this old' bod another couple of weeks of three meals a day then think about doing some part time fasting and strict calorie monitoring.

@maglil55 I agree with @Brunneria that it was probably the lovely stress free morning that brought your BG down unexpectedly.

We went to Brigg garden centre yesterday to get all the plants, compost and manure for our vegetable garden and normal garden. Crikey - Brigg might be a wonderful garden centre but it's certainly not cheap. :dead:. We stopped off at Costa on the way home and I had my 'lunch' - one of their massimo decaff americanos which comes with two little jugs of cream. Five hours later I sat down to eat dinner still feeling not hungry after the creamy coffee.
 
Chook said:
I gained a pound this week - which is strange because I thought I was very good with food last week. I'm going to give this old' bod another couple of weeks of three meals a day then think about doing some part time fasting and strict calorie monitoring.

@maglil55 I agree with @Brunneria that it was probably the lovely stress free morning that brought your BG down unexpectedly.

We went to Brigg garden centre yesterday to get all the plants, compost and manure for our vegetable garden and normal garden. Crikey - Brigg might be a wonderful garden centre but it's certainly not cheap. :dead:. We stopped off at Costa on the way home and I had my 'lunch' - one of their massimo decaff americanos which comes with two little jugs of cream. Five hours later I sat down to eat dinner still feeling not hungry after the creamy coffee.
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I didn't know Costa did coffee with cream. I'll remember that one.
Libre had a weird day yesterday. It was a bit all over the place with some readings so extreme I was forced to check. Started fine but then it was scanning waaay under. Then waaay over until I didn't know what it was doing. Went to bed on 7.7 and got up to FBG of 7.6. Overnight looked pretty much stable apart from the dip but even the correction just took it back to the stable flow. Then I made the mistake of showering, washing hair, dressing, making breakfast and normal service was resumed with a DP of 8.4. It seems Libre has resumed better service as well as my check 15 mins after the finger prick was also 8.4. I'll do another couple of checks later.
It would be fine if it was scanning in 4/5 's all the time (Well apart from yesterday when I had No idea what it was doing) but scanning 2 or 3 points under is significant if that means you are actually in 8's or 9's.
Ah well hopefully it has settled again.
Had a nice relaxing fry up for breakfast. I'm taking the boys to soft play this afternoon while Mum does her class (She's the trainer not a participant) she never misses this class as it is a lot of people recovering from injuries or strokes and the participants don't like change as they take a while to trùst the trainer. Other than a few pick ups I have a quiet couple of weeks.
 
I'm starting to wonder should I take the protein down a notch? Carbs are consistently low now. 20g carbs is a high carb day now! I'm keeping track of the calories with MFP and I know I have to be around 1200 or less to lose weight.
I seem to recall reading somewhere on Diet Doctor that you should eat x g of protein for every 1lb or 1kg of your target weight. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
 
Sort of.... there have been a few posts mentioning that sort of thing that tend to go a bit over my head. I think its 0.8g of carb per kilo of body weight - but I know a woman who definitely knows whats the correct ratio..... yooo HOOO @Brunneria

Like I said, I'm not sure of the ratio but there was a mention about the type of body weight you should calculate the protein for... I think it was your ideal body weight? AND the amount of protein isn't the actual amount of the piece of chicken or whatever, its the amount of protein in that piece of chicken. And thats when I glazed over and started daydreaming .... :oops::confused::meh:

I'm not being terribly helpful here, am I?

I do know that if I have a high protein dinner that it has the same affect on me as if I'd eaten more carbs than I should and then it takes three days for my DP to come back to normal. Stupidly most of our Saturday dinners are quite high in protein so its no surprise that I don't get a decent FBG until about Tuesday or Wednesday.

Yes, Costa do coffee with cream, if you have the massimo Americano you get a black coffee with two little jugs of cream, if you get smaller coffees you only get one jug. I find that the massimo with the two jugs of cream are a really good substitute for eating at lunch time. :wacky:
 
Hey, sorry not to look in earlier. Yes, there is a lot of different countering about protein intake. I wanted to drop mine a while back, and decided to have fat only for brekkie (coffeencream). One of the best things I have done. But no weight loss :(

Lots of different protein theories flying about.

Fung explains it really well in his blog.
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/how-much-protein-is-excessive/
 
Goodness, that's complicated. So he considers the average protein consumption should be 50g per day and those of us wanting to lose weight should eat less than that. But he doesn't specify how much less.

Well, after half a Lidl protein roll, 2 scrambled eggs and 2 small slices of smoked salmon for breakfast I think I might have had my quota for today. :( I think I'll ponder more on this and have an experimental day tomorrow.

What with very low carb and cutting back on protein, the first thing that springs to mind is what, exactly, can we eat?
 
Brunneria said:
Hey, sorry not to look in earlier. Yes, there is a lot of different countering about protein intake. I wanted to drop mine a while back, and decided to have fat only for brekkie (coffeencream). One of the best things I have done. But no weight loss :(

Lots of different protein theories flying about.

Fung explains it really well in his blog.
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/how-much-protein-is-excessive/
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Sorry, manners, should have said thanks for the link, @Brunneria :) :)
 
:D

I had just read that Fung blog when I started dietdoccing with you, and I must admit that the amount of protein in DD puzzled me. But a lot of people interpret LCHF as higher protein, and often it works for them. But then the DD way of eating doesn't distinguish between young fit active tall men, and small sedentary older women. So I guess we each have to find what works for us.

By dropping the 3-eggs-a-day-for-brekkie during the DD 2 week starter menus, I was cutting about 18g of protein a day. And by adding (sometimes doubling) the veg in the meals, I have been increasing food bulk, without affecting my blood glucose in the slightest. I seem to be able to eat green veg with impunity.

One of my motivators on protein is that my last set of blood tests had small amounts of protein in my urine. Nothing to worry about, but worth watching. Protein, kidneys, diabetes and protein leakage have a complicated relationship. And if I ever do lose any weight, I would like not to have hanging folds of belly and bingo wings - and Fung suggests that keeping protein low during weight loss encourages the body to recycle unwanted skin and tissue, tightening things up nicely.
 
Brunneria said:
:D

I had just read that Fung blog when I started dietdoccing with you, and I must admit that the amount of protein in DD puzzled me. But a lot of people interpret LCHF as higher protein, and often it works for them. But then the DD way of eating doesn't distinguish between young fit active tall men, and small sedentary older women. So I guess we each have to find what works for us.

By dropping the 3-eggs-a-day-for-brekkie during the DD 2 week starter menus, I was cutting about 18g of protein a day. And by adding (sometimes doubling) the veg in the meals, I have been increasing food bulk, without affecting my blood glucose in the slightest. I seem to be able to eat green veg with impunity.

One of my motivators on protein is that my last set of blood tests had small amounts of protein in my urine. Nothing to worry about, but worth watching. Protein, kidneys, diabetes and protein leakage have a complicated relationship. And if I ever do lose any weight, I would like not to have hanging folds of belly and bingo wings - and Fung suggests that keeping protein low during weight loss encourages the body to recycle unwanted skin and tissue, tightening things up nicely.
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Oh - you've got your mod super powers. *Chook dips a shallow curtsy* :) :)

So, basically, small amounts of protein, lots of above ground veg and healthy fats. I hope it doesn't get too boring. Avocado anyone? ;)
 
Brunneria said:
:D

I had just read that Fung blog when I started dietdoccing with you, and I must admit that the amount of protein in DD puzzled me. But a lot of people interpret LCHF as higher protein, and often it works for them. But then the DD way of eating doesn't distinguish between young fit active tall men, and small sedentary older women. So I guess we each have to find what works for us.

By dropping the 3-eggs-a-day-for-brekkie during the DD 2 week starter menus, I was cutting about 18g of protein a day. And by adding (sometimes doubling) the veg in the meals, I have been increasing food bulk, without affecting my blood glucose in the slightest. I seem to be able to eat green veg with impunity.

One of my motivators on protein is that my last set of blood tests had small amounts of protein in my urine. Nothing to worry about, but worth watching. Protein, kidneys, diabetes and protein leakage have a complicated relationship. And if I ever do lose any weight, I would like not to have hanging folds of belly and bingo wings - and Fung suggests that keeping protein low during weight loss encourages the body to recycle unwanted skin and tissue, tightening things up nicely.
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I too cut the eggs from 3 to 2. 3 eggs was just too much even if I do like my scrambled eggs. Although my weight came down gently I'm on a plateau these last few weeks so I need to tweak something. Must admit my protein intake doesn't look ridiculously high. Calorie intake is around 1200/1300 (fats wòuld be the obvious to reduce slightly), carbs are fine so I can only look at protein and fats. Food wise I'm comfortable and certainly not hungry. There are times I'd like to have a biscuit but that's about want not need. As I keep telling the grandsons 'I want doesn't get'.
Talking of grandsons had to admire the problem solving skills of No 2 at soft play. 3 year old remember. He had a container of sweets which he refused to share with brother plus I called a halt to his consumption of them as he had enough. After sufficient warning that I was buying brother his own from the counter and there would be no sharing No 2 started whining didn't want his sweets/snack wanted brothers. Explainèd NO for 2 reasons 1) he had eaten loads of sweèts so was not getting any more anyway 2) he wouldn't share and he had been warned what the consequence was.
Next thing I know I hear No 2 at the counter trying to get the same sweets as brother. He returned to inform everyone 'I asked the lady for these sweets but she said I needed pennies to get them. I told her I didn't have pennies so she said I couldn't get them. So can I get pennies? You said I couldn't get more sweeties but this is pennies' Admire the logic but no way sunshine!
 
@maglil55 That lad will be a lawyer when he grows up!!! :joyful:

Just sitting here looking at my diet and Asda order for Friday and really can't thing what to change..... feeling a bit like :banghead: :dead:

I must admit I always did have problems with the fat and protein content of the food we've been eating on DD - I've lost and re-gained the same 2lbs since we started. Just can't think how to adjust what I'm eating so I don't get: bored, (even) fatter, higher BG, a fatty liver, increased cholesterol. Any suggestions?
 
Chook said:
Goodness, that's complicated. So he considers the average protein consumption should be 50g per day and those of us wanting to lose weight should eat less than that. But he doesn't specify how much less.

Well, after half a Lidl protein roll, 2 scrambled eggs and 2 small slices of smoked salmon for breakfast I think I might have had my quota for today. :( I think I'll ponder more on this and have an experimental day tomorrow.

What with very low carb and cutting back on protein, the first thing that springs to mind is what, exactly, can we eat?
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Fat?
 
Chook said:
Goodness, that's complicated. So he considers the average protein consumption should be 50g per day and those of us wanting to lose weight should eat less than that. But he doesn't specify how much less.

Well, after half a Lidl protein roll, 2 scrambled eggs and 2 small slices of smoked salmon for breakfast I think I might have had my quota for today. :( I think I'll ponder more on this and have an experimental day tomorrow.

What with very low carb and cutting back on protein, the first thing that springs to mind is what, exactly, can we eat?
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Well I'm beyond 50g. Looked back to November 2016 and I'm more like 80/90 g a day. There are odd days around 35g but they are the exception. Carbs obviously are not a large part of my diet but nor is protein. Prize for a huge part of my daily intake goes to fat.
So I'd pretty much have to half my daily protein intake?
Going back to see what I ate on the low protein days.
 
maglil55 said:
Well I'm beyond 50g. Looked back to November 2016 and I'm more like 80/90 g a day. There are odd days around 35g but they are the exception. Carbs obviously are not a large part of my diet but nor is protein. Prize for a huge part of my daily intake goes to fat.
So I'd pretty much have to half my daily protein intake?
Going back to see what I ate on the low protein days.
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I have 2 weight loss peaks. First was when I got serious about what I was eating. Then I was on 40 - 50g carbs and pŕotein/ fat just slightly more. Second was the 2nd week of the diet doctor challenge when I reduced the fat a bit and skipped some of the lunches
In both cases I'd made a diet change. So now I need to look at how to cut the protein. Breakfast is the obvious one but gawd knows what that would do to DP if I drop breakfast.
 
OK - found the formula I was looking for. You were right @Chook it was 0.8 g of protein per 1 kg of desired weight. So I would dearly desire to be 140 lbs so that's
140 ÷ 2.2 × 0.8 = 50.9 g protein

I.e. way less than I've been eating. Diet recommendations ( particularly when very low carb ) is to keep high quality protein such as steak, chicken etc in your diet but cut the portions of meat and increàse the veggies which are your lower quality protein.
There were some useful suggestions in an article I read such as make kebabs with your meat but use less meat more veggies.
Cut meat thinly - it looks more
Make stir fries with strips of meat and more veggies.
Breakfasts they suggest porridge - sends my BG through the roof much as I love it. Fruit or fruit smoothie - same problem. Berries and fats so cream / full fat yoghurt - possible
They also suggest still having egg at breakfast but bulking out with veggies. This I could live with. South Beach Diet was very fond of breakfast veggies. I'm a fan of spinach and spiralizèd courgette. I thought about 1 egg omelette and increasing it using egg white but the white has more protein than the yolk.
So it seems , more veggies plus smaller portions of meat.
Rest is a no no - pulses , fruit , pasta , rice , starches etc
 
@maglil55 I'd ideally like to be 10st too but I don't think I'll make that my first target. I think I'll aim for 11st first which would put me at the top end of normal BMI for my age and height. 11st using your calculation allows me 56g of protein each day. That's do-able. :wideyed:

I've just calculated my BMR which, for 11st, is 1275 calls per day and it calculated my total daily energy expenditure (at 11st) to be 1530 calories. So my cunning plan is to aim for the lower figure on week days and the higher figure at the weekends. I might in the future add in one or two days of skipping breakfast and lunch, but not yet.

My goodness, planning menus while VLC, restricting protein and restricting calories isn't easy!
 
Chook said:
@maglil55 I'd ideally like to be 10st too but I don't think I'll make that my first target. I think I'll aim for 11st first which would put me at the top end of normal BMI for my age and height. 11st using your calculation allows me 56g of protein each day. That's do-able. :wideyed:

I've just calculated my BMR which, for 11st, is 1275 calls per day and it calculated my total daily energy expenditure (at 11st) to be 1530 calories. So my cunning plan is to aim for the lower figure on week days and the higher figure at the weekends. I might in the future add in one or two days of skipping breakfast and lunch, but not yet.

My goodness, planning menus while VLC, restricting protein and restricting calories isn't easy!
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You can say that again - I was lower on protein yesterday. 66g all in thanks to the prawn red curry.
Surprisingly I went to bed on 6.1 and got up to FBG of 6.4. Shame it didn't last - hit 8.6 pre breakfast. Still I had a 1 egg omelette with 1 rasher of crispy bacon, 3 small mushrooms, 3 Vittoria tomatoes, spinach and beansprouts. That's taken the protein down to 14g from its usual 27g with only small changes.
Can see this will take more planning for a while.
 
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