I think that they recruited from specific surgeries rather than asked for general applications so they had a more limited regional scope. There were originally 298 people who were supposed to do it I believe.
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Actually, I'm sure you're correct on that. I'm assuming to ensure adequate buy-in and support from the HCPs, however, trial/study recruitment is always an issue.
And I guess they wanted to make sure that they didn't deviate from "The Plan" which may be where the missing 18 went!
NicoleC1971
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DIrect participants came from targeted surgeries in Newcastle and Glasgow areas. I am signed up for type 1 research so I presume any type 2 could do so too possibly via the Diabetes.org. uk site?
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That'd only cover DUK research. At the NIHR, with which I have a bit of a relationship, although DUK sponsor quite a number of studies and trials, they are are only a relatively small number, by comparison to everything that's going on there.
I have volunteered for several studies, but I haven't ever manage to fit the criteria, although that said, at one point they were struggling to recruit T2 vegans carrying a few extra pounds. The prospect of giving up bacon and cheese (and beef and chicken and turkey and bison and ostrich - see a trend anywhere?) has never made me more grateful to be slight.
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Do you think there is a puritanical element to this Newcastle diet?
If it's not hurting it's not doing us any good!
type of thing?
It must be absolute torture doing it and then graduating to a low calorie diet.
but eating shakes must gives us time off in purgatory.
O.T.H. it can't be right!
The low carb healthy fats diet is so easy to do when you get used to it!
You can eat good food when you need to and as much as you like.
No calorie counting.
No need to plug your stomach with blowy up bread at lunch time because you don't need a mid day meal and don't eat carbs.
And one loses weight without having to think about it.
When do I get my punishment!!!?
D.
If it's not hurting it's not doing us any good!
type of thing?It must be absolute torture doing it and then graduating to a low calorie diet.
but eating shakes must gives us time off in purgatory.
O.T.H. it can't be right!
The low carb healthy fats diet is so easy to do when you get used to it!
You can eat good food when you need to and as much as you like.
No calorie counting.
No need to plug your stomach with blowy up bread at lunch time because you don't need a mid day meal and don't eat carbs.
And one loses weight without having to think about it.
When do I get my punishment!!!?
D.
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AloeSvea
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Actually, @lindisfel, my understanding is both Professor Taylor with the Newcastle Diet, and Dr Fung with the fasting and intermittent fasting regimes, underplay any pain and suffering experienced at all! , and therefore absolutely any element of 'puritanical purgatory/punishment for earlier evils' types of awful ideas. (Please note, absolutely note - I am NOT supporting those awful ideas!)
My own feeling on how people experience any lowering-food-energy system depends on individual metabolisms/how hunger and appetite hormones operate in them individually, and that there is quite a large spectrum across people in how they experience that. I say this as a person who experiences hunger keenly, as do so many members of my biologically related family. So the first time I heard Professor Taylor say (on youtube) that the worst thing about the Newcastle Diet was it was boring and that hunger disappears - well! I won't report the exact words I said due to the decorum of this forum, but you may be able to imagine?. Dr Fung also waxes very lyrical about how hunger disappears. Which is crucial if you are advocating longterm fasting for folks like me with a very stubborn form of T2D. ('Merely' keto or LCHF does not put me into normal blood glucose regulation range.) (I have been normal weight from three months after diagnosis, four years ago, please note, re the subject of this thread re non-obese or normal to lean diabetes.)
I really don't think it would have worked well for our species (or in fact any mammal) if we did not in fact feel hunger as uncomfortable, or even 'on sufferance', or even as painful. There has to be a good motivation to get out there and hunt/fish/pick/shop for food, and oh yes - prepare and cook it. (Now THAT can be boring! IMHO.)
, and therefore absolutely any element of 'puritanical purgatory/punishment for earlier evils' types of awful ideas. (Please note, absolutely note - I am NOT supporting those awful ideas!) My own feeling on how people experience any lowering-food-energy system depends on individual metabolisms/how hunger and appetite hormones operate in them individually, and that there is quite a large spectrum across people in how they experience that. I say this as a person who experiences hunger keenly, as do so many members of my biologically related family. So the first time I heard Professor Taylor say (on youtube) that the worst thing about the Newcastle Diet was it was boring and that hunger disappears - well! I won't report the exact words I said due to the decorum of this forum, but you may be able to imagine?
. Dr Fung also waxes very lyrical about how hunger disappears. Which is crucial if you are advocating longterm fasting for folks like me with a very stubborn form of T2D. ('Merely' keto or LCHF does not put me into normal blood glucose regulation range.) (I have been normal weight from three months after diagnosis, four years ago, please note, re the subject of this thread re non-obese or normal to lean diabetes.) I really don't think it would have worked well for our species (or in fact any mammal) if we did not in fact feel hunger as uncomfortable, or even 'on sufferance', or even as painful. There has to be a good motivation to get out there and hunt/fish/pick/shop for food, and oh yes - prepare and cook it. (Now THAT can be boring! IMHO.)
