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Diets: similar to religion. List of truth.

Daz007

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Location
Warrington.
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Insulin
Dislikes
Apple pie and custard.
I've gone in circles during my life with different diets along with changing views on diet. Research is very iffy on the topic as there are so many variants. Having completed a research qualification in nursing, the first thing I was told is that "research does not prove anything".

The varying views on diet we all have, are like religious beliefs. So I thought it would be useful to start a list whereby 'everyone' agrees a truth. So I will start the list, please add to it, but if anyone disagrees (rightly or wrongly) I remove the truth from the list.

The 100% truth list. Or something we all believe is true!
(N.B directly related to diet, death and taxes do not count! haha)

Carbs increase your blood glucose. (challenged)

Protein increases your blood glucose, but not as much. (challenged)

Calorie restriction works to lose weight. (challenged)

Long term high sugars causes insulin resistance. (challenged)

1.. Vegans need to supplement (in the broadest term) with Vit b12

2. Our beliefs reflect what opinions best sit with our emotional needs. (LittleGreycat).

3. Our gut biotic and bacteria are different from everyone else. (Lamont D).

4. Vegans and carnivores do agree that sugar is not a useful food as it contains no nutrients and is potentially addictive (challenged). Some advocate that it should be removed from the list of foods Generally Regarded As Safe in the US (Gras status). (NicoleC1971)
 
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For me, calorie restriction does not make me lose weight. Unless that restriction is in the carbs amount. So number 3 on your list needs a qualifying comment.
 
Daz007 said:
The 100% truth list.
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I am not aware of any 100% truths. (though this is a fun game)

Daz007 said:
1. Carbs increase your blood glucose.
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Unless you have exogenous insulin on board which is reducing blood glucose faster than your blood glucose rises from the carbs.
And unless you have reactive hypglycaemia where eating carbs results in an overshoot of endogenous insulin, and your blood glucose drops into hypo territory

Daz007 said:
2. Protein increases your blood glucose, but not as much.
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My understanding is that gluconeogenesis is now considered to be demand driven, rather than an assumed constant process. This makes sense because surely it is going to depend on protein needs and portion size as to whether your body utilises protein to maintain glucose levels or use the protein as a building block, or something else.
https://caloriesproper.com/is-gluconeogenesis-demand-driven-answer-it-depends-context-strikes-again/

Daz007 said:
3. Calorie restriction works to lose weight.
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Usually in the short term, but not necessarily in the long term. I understand that The Nurses Study showed that a long term calorie deficit stalled weight loss fairly quickly, due to a reduction in BMR.
You will find plenty of people around here who find that the key to weight loss is to increase food (calorie) intake, rather than keep shaving it down with the accompanying reduction in BMR.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5639963/

Daz007 said:
4. Long term high sugars causes insulin resistance.
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That would be hard to prove as a universal truth.
Someone would have to get to the bottom of the chicken/egg process to make that claim, and I don't think they have yet... at least for T2s. Not sure about T1s.
Anyway, isn't it high insulin that causes insulin resistance, not high glucose?
One can have high glucose and insufficient insulin, and have no insulin resistance at all.

Daz007 said:
5. Vegetarians need to supplement with Vit b12.
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Are you counted 'supplements' as fortified foods such as fortified plant milks and spreads like Marmite? Or do you think 'supplements' are always in tablet form?

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320524#vegetarian-foods

vitamin B12 intake, there are a variety of options. Some good choices for B-12 include:

  • yogurt
  • low-fat milk
  • fortified plant-based milk
  • cheese
  • eggs
  • fortified cereals
  • nutritional yeast
 
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The only thing that is 100% is no matter how you try to categorise conditions in to neat types. Is that the majority of endocrine conditions are so different. People have different symptoms, different outcomes, and depending on who your care provider is, your treatment and meds will differ.

Our fingerprints, eye recognition, our gut biotic and bacteria are different from everyone one else. Until the medical profession starts realising that we are individuals, and our treatment needs to be tailored to their specific health requirements, then many of us like myself will keep getting misdiagnosed and the treatment, dietary advice and the reluctance of my many doctors to get a specialist who can understand what is going on, to get a true diagnosis!

This is why there is not only in the medical community and the community at large is that obesity is the cause of T2 diabetes!
Absolute manure.
I spent a week in hospital, not so long ago, why was there only cereals or toast to eat on the ward, if you missed meal times? Why was myself and fellow patients offered concentrated orange drink?
It is beyond belief that in a diabetic ward, who mostly have different carbs intolerance keep getting told to eat carbs with every meal?
As Spock would say, not logical captain!

If you ask the right questions, the reason behind symptoms will become clear!


Rant over

Keep safe
 
Brunneria said:
Aha! Have just thought of 2 universal truths - Death and Taxes.
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Unless you are a Tory donor, of course.
In which case only death.
 
@Daz007
Universal truths?
(1) Everybody lies eventually.
(2) Research is funded to produce the results the funder wishes to achieve as a reward for the money invested.

Our beliefs reflect what opinions best sit with our emotional needs.

Everything is subject to change.
[For example "you are what you eat.]"
 

point 4:

I had insulin resistance even when I was pre-diabetic. It was my first and main continuous symptom, not picked up by my GP for over 15 years, despite them knowing about my gestational diabetes, and slightly higher blood sugar levels for that time. I am talking about after meals in the 6's at that time, not high enough to register as something to worry about.

I was not aware that we know what initially causes insulin resistance, isnt it a chicken-and-egg situation?

We are all different, I personally think the medication I was on at the time, for post natal depression, damaged my liver function and caused my insulin resistance to start - but I could be wrong.

It all depends on what you mean by high' my figures weren't clinically high.
 
I'd agree that this is likely given that B12 is normally derived from animal foods (it is actually bacteria based) and thre are only limited plant sources e.g. Nori so vegetarians are vulnerable. Similarly some vegetarians may be deficient in iron and vitamin A because the plant sources of those foods are not well absorbed by everyone whereas the herbivore who has digested plants before you digest them has done a good job converting vitamins and minerals into human friendly forms.
5 Vegans and carnivores do agree that sugar is not a useful food as it contains no nutrients and is potentially addictive (challenged). Some advocate that it should be removed from the list of foods Generally Regarded As Safe in the US (Gras status).
 
Sorry for my embarrassing bad spelling doh!

Few on my list, despite masses of research and studies. Tempted to add exercise has a benefit, but that could be challenged too. Death and taxes lol, we may not die but be reborn...challenged! Not everyone pays taxes...challenged!

Re number 4. I agree sugar is addictive if that is what is meant.
 
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YES that's what I meant but funnily enough the food companies and libertarians do not agree.
Good thread and it is very hard to find universal truth.
The answer is 42 btw.
 

Anyone going shopping, or even paying utility bills, is paying tax, sooner or later, in the form of VAT. Tax is hard to avoid
 
Not quite what was asked, but I think the difference between a religion and a diet is that people give up a diet if it doesn't work but still keep to a religion despite having no evidence that there is any truth to it.
 
@DCUKMod Yes but I was referring to income tax .

And then again children dont pay any tax ..parents do. We need to start taxing children. (I am joking ofc).
 
Mr Pot people do give up religion. And then can get born again with it. Amen.

Are you Bill or Ben?
 
Daz007 said:
@DCUKMod Yes but I was referring to income tax .

And then again children dont pay any tax ..parents do. We need to start taxing children. (I am joking ofc).
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Children can pay tax in various ways, but let's not derail your thread.
 
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