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Type 2 Dinner Time is hard

m13amp68

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Hi there, been T2 and on meds for about 4 yrs now, and I am a self employed Builder and the thing I have found really hard to deal with is the 'advise' given or not given to me by the so called professionals (GP's, diabetic Nurse, clinics) telling me to eat carbs and not telling me about carbs in any way! When you are eating toast, crumpets, sausage rolls, pork pies, crisps and thinking great - no sugar in this lot only to find I might as well have had a chocolate bar instead is really hard to accept.
As a builder, it can be a very physical job, running up stairs 20 times a day, out to the van, walking and carrying heavy items - the list goes on. I still have a porridge for breakfast which gives me a good start but it is dinner time when it gets hard - I need the fuel to keep me going through the rest of the afternoon but without a working kitchen, no access to a microwave etc, it really is hard to focus on eating the right stuff to get me through. I am a newbie here so any advise would be gratefully accepted. I have ordered some low cab books to read and hope to find some recipes to help also, Thanks everyone.
 
Hi and welcome,

Before anyone can give appropriate advice, please can you tell us which diabetes meds you are taking as this can make a big difference.

Also, when you say "dinner" are you from the north and are meaning "lunch" or do you mean evening meal? I'm a northerner and usually say dinner at lunch time, and tea at dinner time. It does get very confusing sometimes. Lol. :)
 
Hello, @m13amp68 , and welcome to the forum!
Tagging @daisy1 for you, she'll post an excellent info sheet about diabetes on this thread.
The following thread might be useful as well: https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/what-have-you-eaten-today.75781/
Do you use a meter to see how different foods and your work affect your bg? It's very helpful. You might even find that you can eat quite a lot more carbs on work days without having your bg shooting up than on days you're not working.

Good luck!
 
Hi. Sad that the NHS is still pushing carbs. At least my lovely DN has seen the light and advises carb reduction. Overall you need to increase fat and proteins as well as veg and non-tropical fruit. Cheese, nuts and berries are always good if you are on the go. If you have time, eggs and bacon etc will be better than porridge for breakfast
 
As you said that you need energy for the rest of the day I’m going with this being meal in the middle. So, ‘sandwiches’ of ham and cheese, no bread maybe? Soup in a flask? Tortilla made with lots of filling stuff, veg, sausage etc is good cold.
 
Hi there, been T2 and on meds for about 4 yrs now, and I am a self employed Builder and the thing I have found really hard to deal with is the 'advise' given or not given to me by the so called professionals (GP's, diabetic Nurse, clinics) telling me to eat carbs and not telling me about carbs in any way! When you are eating toast, crumpets, sausage rolls, pork pies, crisps and thinking great - no sugar in this lot only to find I might as well have had a chocolate bar instead is really hard to accept.
As a builder, it can be a very physical job, running up stairs 20 times a day, out to the van, walking and carrying heavy items - the list goes on. I still have a porridge for breakfast which gives me a good start but it is dinner time when it gets hard - I need the fuel to keep me going through the rest of the afternoon but without a working kitchen, no access to a microwave etc, it really is hard to focus on eating the right stuff to get me through. I am a newbie here so any advise would be gratefully accepted. I have ordered some low cab books to read and hope to find some recipes to help also, Thanks everyone.

Hi there m13amp68 . We see similar queries from time to time from folks in physically demanding jobs, finding eating and drinking for their T2 to be a challenge for one or more meals a day.

I'm wondering if @Peadair O Brionn is arround anywhere at the moment. From memory, he's an electricial in the building trade, so is likely to identify with your predicament.

Peadair - apologies for hailing you, but it feels like you're likely to have a few suggestions for m13amp68. Thanks in anticipation. :)
 
@m13amp68
Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and useful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

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Part of the problem is that you think of carbs as fuel and energy giving - when in fact, for a lot of type twos they mean a release of insulin and that would usually mean running out of energy a few hours later as it prevents the release of 'top ups' from the cells.
For many type twos, eating a breakfast of porridge would result in an energy slump before mid day. I tend to eat a normal meal first thing, meat or fish, eggs, cheese, with a few carbs as that seems to work best for me as shown by my meter. I can then go right through the day to evening and feel fine on a couple of mugs of coffee with cream. If I needed to eat when out of the house then I'd take meat and maybe a bit of salad, or cheese and tomatoes.
I can only advise on what works for me, but it really works - I can go out and service 18 knitting machines in 3 days or less and manage on two meals a day.
You are certainly not alone in being misled about what to eat - anyone would think that there was some conspiracy afoot, and you might be very disappointed in the recipe books as some of them have a week's worth of carbs in each one.
 
It can be difficult to change your lifestyle but it can be done - if you want hot food get a wide mouth flask then you can take nice low carb soups and stews hot sausages and bacon, chicken legs - it's hard to think outside the box but you'll get there:)

As a side note I definitely agree 100% about the NHS pushing carbs BUT to be fair they have never pushed eating pies sausage rolls crisps etc - in fact they have always said these are very much no no foods
 
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