But on here the 75% do block out the 25%, you see it every single day on the forum regarding diet. As such, many members have left or are pondering leaving - because they feel like idiots. I fully support debate and quite enjoy it, but unfortunately this forum has lost its way recently wrt what is healthy debate and is now bordering on belittling/bullying of those with alternative views on specific matters. And that's not because the information opposing the masses has been reviewed and gauged to be fictional fantasy, but simply because it's a different view to what's currently deemed "the only way"...
Peer review is good, effective and useful "if" the parties involved are at least willing to listen to the opinions of others instead of instantly dismissing them just because they're different.
There we go I've said my bit
I hope you had your reply peer reviewed, screened and vetted before posting?yes..but that's just your opinion
I think it has gone full circle now. It's all about the LCHF now with low carbing being promoted in every moderators' signature strip. Some things change, but sadly not the bullying as I witnessed today. Like you, I have been here a while. I am just glad I am not a new member arriving today. Must be tough nowadays.Speaking as an old timer on this forum, had everyone been here 3 or 4 years ago they really would have had reason to complain. Believe it or not, people were banned for daring to even mention LCHF. Bullying was rife. That was the atmosphere on here when I first started lurking. It wasn't a pleasant place to be a lot of the time, especially for newbies. These days I don't believe this is the case on the whole, and certainly no-one is banned for offering different opinions.
I hope you had your reply peer reviewed, screened and vetted before posting?
If you've not followed the new protocol - then I'm sorry, but it's just an opinion like mine
I believe we move forward through sharing information, debate, discussion and questioning. One of the things I like about this site is how often people say what works for them and add the caveat that 'we're all different'; there seems to me to be more acceptance of that than elsewhere, and long may it last.
I did, I discussed it at length with 55 other people after various processes agreed in advance after days of talks and then had everyone tick my box (not a euphemism) before posting...they all had opinions and they listened to my opinion and we all agreed in the end that it was absolutely valid...so now its a validated opinion..and we are all entitled to our validated opinions even if they are total nonsense. Plato once said that if a man thinks his red shirt is blue when it is in fact red then he is wrong ...is entitled to his incorrect view but is deluded...okay so it wasn't Plato! But I do like this quote “You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.” (Harlan Ellison, American writer) and I believe he wrote Terminator...so I am not arguing with him.
The bullying does go both ways, I have been bullied because I am low carbing and pregnant!!!I think it has gone full circle now. It's all about the LCHF now with low carbing being promoted in every moderators' signature strip. Some things change, but sadly not the bullying as I witnessed today. Like you, I have been here a while. I am just glad I am not a new member arriving today. Must be tough nowadays.
It all a question of motivation. My father in law was told by his doctor if he didn't give up smoking he may as well fall under a bus! He had copd and he lived another twenty years but struggled with breathing throughout.And as we say up north, "there's nowt wus than an ex smoker" !
Speaking as an old timer on this forum, had everyone been here 3 or 4 years ago they really would have had reason to complain. Believe it or not, people were banned for daring to even mention LCHF. Bullying was rife. That was the atmosphere on here when I first started lurking. It wasn't a pleasant place to be a lot of the time, especially for newbies. These days I don't believe this is the case on the whole, and certainly no-one is banned for offering different opinions.
@SockFiddlerSorry, @Pipp - I do appreciate your point, I'd just never seen any examples is all. And @lindisfel was discreet enough to name neither the OP nor the respondent. I hope that allowed the quote to stand as an example without causing further offense.
Hi @FleegleI haven't been here four years and generally I think it is an extremely friendly place with lots of good advice particularly on LCHF. And LCHF is making a real difference to me and I genuinely do not know what I would have done without it and the responses to questions I have. And it can be wide and varied and if that has changed for the better overtime then that is great,
But I tell you my experience - if in any way you question even inadvertently LCHF - you get bombed big time.
I myself like to understand all approaches being pretty desperate if I am honest to control this beast. I am really careful in how I phrase my posts using phrases like "I know you don't need any carbs" yet some of the posts you get are like a virtual punch. It is a very small percent but still makes me consider whether to post again.
There is an alternative though - I tend to use this forum now to get all the LCHF stuff I need and other forums to see other views. Saturated meat fats and IR a good example of that which is perhaps less expressed here than elsewhere.
I didn't even need to report it! The moderator immediately got involved and deleted the posts and the person apologised... I was being threatened because a book I bought to educate my kids at home had something in that I disagree with and so I crossed it out and skipped it! (Basically it put fats with sugar as being bad and sugars were not put with the carbs which were being pushed as most healthy) anyway I was accused of being a bad mum and that I should be reported and have to pay for damages to a book that I owned!!! Another time I was accused of harming my unborn child because I was low carbing, that I would seriously hurt their future development etc...@SockFiddler
The fact that you had not seen bullying here I take as an example that moderators are doing the job well.
Unfortunately some comments are made and seen by others before they can be removed.
The deleted post in this thread by @Avocado Sevenfold contained a post that had already been deleted from another thread. Therefore the quote is not allowed to stand.
I am not aware that @lindisfel made any comment regarding a deleted post, so perhaps you used that member's name in error? Lindisfel made a good point that perception of bullying can be subjective.
Reported allegations of bullying are investigated and acted on accordingly. They do need to be reported rather than brought up in a thread.
@SockFiddler
The fact that you had not seen bullying here I take as an example that moderators are doing the job well.
Unfortunately some comments are made and seen by others before they can be removed.
The deleted post in this thread by @Avocado Sevenfold contained a post that had already been deleted from another thread. Therefore the quote is not allowed to stand.
I am not aware that @lindisfel made any comment regarding a deleted post, so perhaps you used that member's name in error? Lindisfel made a good point that perception of bullying can be subjective.
Reported allegations of bullying are investigated and acted on accordingly. They do need to be reported rather than brought up in a thread.
Speaking as an old timer on this forum, had everyone been here 3 or 4 years ago they really would have had reason to complain. Believe it or not, people were banned for daring to even mention LCHF. Bullying was rife. That was the atmosphere on here when I first started lurking. It wasn't a pleasant place to be a lot of the time, especially for newbies. These days I don't believe this is the case on the whole, and certainly no-one is banned for offering different opinions.
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