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Hi @Eve_line I think you should be celebrating that HbA1c. Reducing from 50 to 43 by hard work and will power is not to be sneezed at! WELL DONE
Did you know that 43 is only 1 point into pre-Diabetes.
See, you nearly hit 'normal' non-d figures. :D

Please don't sell yourself short. These things take effort!
 
@Eve_line do you have the MyFitnessPal app on a tablet or smartphone? Or you can access their database on a computer, just google their name. It will give you carb, fat protein and calorie counts for millions of foods. So for your meals yesterday:

2 eggs = 2g carbs; 10g fat; 12g protein; 140 cals
1oz Turkey = 2g carbs; 0.5g fat; 9g protein; 50 cals
68g chorizo = 2.4g carbs; 19.4g fat; 9.7g protein; 231 cals

Which gives you 6.4g carbs; 29.9g fat; 30g protein; 421 cals for breakfast.

1/2 cup almonds = 15.4g carbs; 35.7g fat; 15.1g protein; 414 cals
Atkins cracker = 1.8g carbs; 0.8g fat; 1.3g protein; 86 cals
1 tsp butter = 3.8g fat; 34 cals
1oz cheese = 9g fat; 6g protein; 110 cals

I had to guesstimate quantities here, but lunch would have been around 17.2g carbs; 49.3g fat; 22.4g protein; 644 cals.

Chicken kebab = 4.3g carbs; 1.6g fat; 22.2g protein; 121 cals
Broccoli = for 300g = 19.9g carbs; 1.1g fat; 8.5g protein; 102 cals
Mayo = 20g fat; 180 cals
Mozzarella = 3.5g carbs; 21.2g fat; 24.7g protein; 282 cals
1oz sundried tomatoes = 3.5g carbs; 3.5g fat; 2.3g protein; 61 cals

Again, guesstimates on some quantities, but dinner would have been 27.7g carbs; 47.4g fat; 57.7g protein; 746 cals.

If you add this up, for the day we get 51.3g carbs; 126.6g fat; 110.1g protein and 1811 calories.

So that’s not massively over the recommended calories a day for women, but the excess is what adds up. Your liver can also convert protein into glucose (clever but annoying) as well as the carbs.

What can also happen, if you’re eating to the point of feeling stuffed, is that an overstretched upper intestine can stimulate the pancreas to produce glucagon - which make the liver dump glucose into your blood, raising the BG for no apparent reason.

I’ve found using a smaller plate has helped me to reduce portion sizes, and waiting 20 minutes before refilling it. It can take that long for the stomach to register that it is full helps to avoid the feeling of being over full.

wow thank you for taking the time to all calculate that! see, its still 1811 calories wow.. i just wouldnt expect that :S .. what surprises me also is the amount of carbs. I see that the broccoli is massive amount of carbs?? I thought ok you cant have too much broccoli. Seems like you can.
 
Hi

43 is fab, now you have that as a victory I would ask you to think about a few things. What is it about cheese and eggs that draws you to them? If you could replace them with another option would you and what are the things you would do to help you maintain the change?

Sounds silly but when you decide to change habits, and you know "why" then it is easier, (not easy, we all need support). There are tonnes of alternatives that will make your belly feel full and content and potentially offer a better quality of calories that bodies need to support a great life.

Start small, test, investigate and enjoy what you eat.

cheese is really good comfort food, and i also like devilled eggs but already getting tired of that so i think i can give that up easily. But the cheese is difficult .. actually i feel there are not tonnes of alternatives, its really hard to determine what to eat with low carb.
 
cheese is really good comfort food, and i also like devilled eggs but already getting tired of that so i think i can give that up easily. But the cheese is difficult .. actually i feel there are not tonnes of alternatives, its really hard to determine what to eat with low carb.


I am happy to share what I do if you want some ideas? some will work for you, some not so much, Devilled eggs, so you like spice? Whilst chilli is 50% carbs, 1 gram can be more than enough to devil anything......
 
Looks pretty **** good to me!

It doesn't look to be too much, and it looks a good mix of foods.
Stopping when you are still hungry also looks to be good as your reports suggest that you don't have a working "stop" button at the moment.

As others have suggested the best thing to go for is a scripted diet plan with measured quantities because that might relieve the worry about too much/ too little.

As an aside, my parents always used to say "don't have a drink just before your meal, you'll ruin your appetite".

If you turn that on its head, and also recognise that is often difficult to tell the difference between hunger and thirst, then having a big drink of water shortly before your meal may help to ease the hunger pangs. I know that I sometimes feel hungry when it turns out that I am thirsty (and vice versa).

On your 10 eggs and 200 grams cheese; I wouldn't be worried for myself if I ate a 200 gram pack of cheese over the day. Say a cheese omelette in the morning, cheese rolled in ham as a snack, and grated cheese over a chilli in the evening.
10 eggs seems a little much, though. I wouldn't expect to eat more than 5-6 on an "eggy" day. However that is just me and my normal way of eating. I don't think that it is harmful and it is also far better than bingeing on carbohydrates.
Let me see;
  • fry up for breakfast with 2 fried eggs.
  • 2 boiled eggs for lunchtime snack
  • 3 egg omelette with cheese for evening meal
  • {starts considering mild laxative at this point}
Well, looking suitably LCHF and up to 7 eggs already. I think your main issue is worrying about how much you are eating. What you post on this thread seems more or less on target.

Thank you so much. Yes I think the best thing is a scripted diet plan, i will be working on that more.

Yes i think that is the risk with LCHF, for me at least, i thought oh its okay to eat all those cheese and eggs. And maybe for many people it will be fine. But i didnt lose much weight this way and my levels didnt go down that much. On the other hand; i did lose some weight and my levels DID go down so that is better than if i continued on carbs, that's for sure..

The glass of water is a good idea.
 
I am happy to share what I do if you want some ideas? some will work for you, some not so much, Devilled eggs, so you like spice? Whilst chilli is 50% carbs, 1 gram can be more than enough to devil anything......

Yes I would love some ideas!

i didnt know chilli is 50% carbs..
 
I too am shocked about the high carbs in brocolli! I have just discovered cauliflower rice and read somewhere about brocolli rice. Is cauliflower better carb wise?
 
cheese is really good comfort food, and i also like devilled eggs but already getting tired of that so i think i can give that up easily. But the cheese is difficult .. actually i feel there are not tonnes of alternatives, its really hard to determine what to eat with low carb.

It should be noted that some/most on here are posting from the perspective of LCHF.
That is, low carbohydrate high fat.
The "gold standard" for this is 5% carbohydrates, 15% protein, 80% fat.

Many get into trouble because they focus on the low carbohydrate but worry about the high fat so miss that out.

This approach may work for some, but in general if you don't have those fats to supply your energy you have more trouble feeling full and also more trouble finding enough energy to see you through the day.

In this context, although other high fat alternatives are available, both cheese and eggs fit into the double+ good category. I'm not really sure why you would want to give them up. In fact, I would suggest that you consider adding in more butter and double cream if you like that kind of thing.

In my generally humble(ish) opinion it is better to focus on getting your blood glucose right through eliminating most carbohydrates and replacing them with fats. Once your BG is maintaining at a good level (and frankly yours looks pretty **** good already) then you can look at minor adjustments to what you are eating (perhaps just portion size?) to ease off a few pounds.

Again IMHO it is better in the long term to be above your "ideal" weight with excellent BG levels than to be at a lower weight with poor BG control.

You are doing fine.
It is natural to worry (we all do at times) but I would think hard before changing what seems to be a winning formula.
 
I was only going by the MFP app, so could have made a mistake. Asda broccoli rice is 1.1g carbs per 100g.
 
hows that possible as broccoli is 7 . any way its only 2 more than cauliflower
 
Morning

Again well done on getting a 43 HbA1C result. That is solid progress. the next steps are not that hard to achieve, keep doing what your a doing to stay mentally strong and change a bit of your diet at a time.


I low carb as low as I need to for a days activities, I do avoid wheat in a daily routine, but not a militant HFLC drone (awaits abuse). I know how many calories I will use on a day so I plan my meals to meet the demand, some days I get it spot on, some days not so much, as long as you learn from it, it's all good.

My experiences will differ from yours, the only way is to experiment.

You do need carbs, but in the form of veg and salad. lots of them. Tonnes in fact, back to a diet of days gone by. Avocados are excellent for calories, GOOD fat/oil and Fibre which without you will have an interesting time digesting and utilizing protein.

Substitute chickpeas for wheat, falafel are lovely, yes they are fried so have higher cholesterol but a few in a broad diet will do no harm.

Salad dressing is the key to turning a dull lunch into something lush, yes balsamic vinegar is higher in sugar but you are not using a litre at time, be sparing. Add coriander, garlic, chilli paprika and good olive oil. Yes on day 650 it does feel a bit drudgery so add more chilli, lots more and ginger.

Stews, meat, beetroot, beans, tomatoes, spices with a load of steamed veg, all good. filling and no need for rice/spuds. keeps for a few meals. Spice it up, flavour is soo important. change the content comfort to flavour comfort.

Make your own baked beans, you can make them no added sugar and get a load of goodness in your body

Meals do not have to match, my plate often looks like it has been drawn by a 4 year old, a mismatch of the families foods and mine. if it's good for you and yummy do it.

Replace lasagne sheet with leeks. no really https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/skinny_beef_lasagne_87277

In fact I adore these guys, they get food, swap wheat based things with chickpea (may have said this once or twice) chapattis
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/chilli_salad_bowls_22404


Eggs, they are good for you, but there are limits, mine is 4 per week.

Breakfast. I use 200grams of Greek yogurt, invest in quality here, it reduces sugar content by more than you would think. Add flax seeds, chia seeds, powdered green veg (not as good as real veg but I do live in the real world) and Coffee.
I do not feel hungry before 12 and I cycle to work.



Snacking. Yes I do snack at times. one of the following only after drinking a pint of water to see if it was thirst........
2 pieces of 85%+ chocolate
Peanuts
Cucumber
Carrots
well, any salad Items I have in the fridge.


Sports.
Yes that is me in the profile pic, if I am off doing sports I will eat a more substantial breakfast, bacon, eggs, perhaps a slice of toast. I know from testing I will burn it off from a whole bunch of testing. Nothing worse than being miles from anywhere useful with no supplies on you in case, I keep small packs of crisps/jellies in case I get it wrong. I have had a few what would be considered hypos, avoidable if I had eaten earlier, it's a learning curve.

Walk when you can, if it's only 5 minutes, it's better than 0 minutes. If you can work 30 minutes in per day you will see a world of difference.



Old School doctors
"a bit of hunger wont kill you, it's not the third world". yep he was right, have another glass of water if you have eaten your calories for the day
Learn to love water
Meat and 5 veg.


Enough unstructured ramblings from me for one day.
 
dried it's 72% wet about 50%

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/asda-bird-eye-chillies-220113064

if you only use a gram it's not that important, if you use 100Grams then I want a photo of your face when it exits!

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/255737636 for wet ones

which is why I don't use MFP.. although as for eating 100g yep I think that could be quite interesting..

as for dried I get this
https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/289081541

Asda's own site says something different too

https://groceries.asda.com/product/chillies-spices/asda-growers-selection-bird-eye-chillies/402281
 
If you ate 100g of birds eye chillies I doubt any of it would stay inside you long enough for any carb to be absorbed

Seriously, if you start worrying about the carb content of Broccoli then you are going to find it hard to control your BG long term
 
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If you ate 100g of birds eye chillies I doubt any of it would stay inside you long enough for any carb to be absorbed

Seriously, if you start worrying about the carb content of Broccoli then you are going to find it hard to control your BG long term
so logically if I had 100grams of chillis with a pizza the carb load will do no harm?

;)
 
wow thank you for taking the time to all calculate that! see, its still 1811 calories wow.. i just wouldnt expect that :S .. what surprises me also is the amount of carbs. I see that the broccoli is massive amount of carbs?? I thought ok you cant have too much broccoli. Seems like you can.
That carb count for broccoli is wrong - it might be including the fibre. Cauliflower and broccoli are really useful low carb veges, and very filling too.
 
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