Does Any One Understand Carbs?

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I have recently been told I am border line diabetic, and need to follow a low carb diet. I have been reading articles until I'm blue in the face! Information on the rear of foods shows Total Carbs, Carbs from Fibre and Sugars from Carbs. Sugars from Carbs I understand are the ones I need to watch. BUT if you add these up they do not total the 'Total Carbs.

I have tried adding the protein, fat and salt to sugars and Fibre but this still does not add up.

I just feel I need to grasp the whole picture. If anyone can help I would appreciate it. Thanks
 

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Hello @ColinNorthants welcome to the forum :)

The carbs you need to be aware of are the total carbs, so for instance a rice cake has total 82.2g per 100g and 'of which sugars' 14.4g - ignore the 'of which sugars and from fibre' parts and just read the total - 82.2g. I take insulin and my insulin dose is based on the amount of carbs eaten, I also use 'Carbs and Cal' app on my phone as it tells me the carb value of foods.

Low carb means cutting down on bread, cereal, rice, pasta, sugar based products such as cakes/confectionery. I am tagging @daisy1 for our newbies information which is a useful read.

*edited to change wording re: low carb from 'omitting' to 'cutting down'.
 
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Hi and welcome,

It is all very simple once you know how to do it. On the nutrition label (NOT the red, green and amber traffic light notice) all you need to look for is the total carbs figure per 100g. So if it says 10g per 100g you know the food is 10% carb.

Ignore the "of which sugars". Sugar is a carb and is included in the total. You only need be interested in the fibre and protein amounts if you want to know how much fibre or protein etc there is. Right now, all you are interested in is the carb total.

It is the total carbohydrates that you consume that will raise your blood sugar levels, not just the sugar, and not the fibre, protein, salt, fats.
 
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Ok Thanks, I did see the diabetic nurse, but she just showed me some charts with foods not to eat. How many total carbs a day should I aim for? And I presume I can have a slice of bread once a week?
 

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I have recently been told I am border line diabetic, and need to follow a low carb diet. I have been reading articles until I'm blue in the face! Information on the rear of foods shows Total Carbs, Carbs from Fibre and Sugars from Carbs. Sugars from Carbs I understand are the ones I need to watch. BUT if you add these up they do not total the 'Total Carbs.

I have tried adding the protein, fat and salt to sugars and Fibre but this still does not add up.

I just feel I need to grasp the whole picture. If anyone can help I would appreciate it. Thanks
It's the total cars figure not "of which sugar"
 

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Ok Thanks, I did see the diabetic nurse, but she just showed me some charts with foods not to eat. How many total carbs a day should I aim for? And I presume I can have a slice of bread once a week?
Depends how many g of carbs you can tolerate. There is no one answer to this. Some get on quite happily on 130g carbs daily, others less than 100g or there are very low carbers at 20g or less. Only way to find out is to test so get yourself a meter and strips.
As far as bread is concerned there are lower carb alternatives for example, Lidl do a high protein roll (The dark brown triangular shaped roll) which is very good. Another is Tescos high protein loaf and Hovis have just introduced 3 lower carb loaves - seeded, wholemeal and white. Also Bfree do a loaf which is quite good although their other items are a lot higher in carbs.
You'll also find a Low Carb Diet forum on here where we post what we have had to eat, share recipes and the like. There are some excellent web sites covering the low carb way of life - Diet Doctor is one of my favourites. There 2 week low carb challenge is a good introduction to low carb eating.

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Burgeon soya and linseed another lower carb loaf 11g per slice. Also you may need to do a little math in calculating portions in packets, ie if the packet states 10g per 100g and there are 500g in the packet, actual packet is 50g of carbs.
 

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Ok Thanks, I did see the diabetic nurse, but she just showed me some charts with foods not to eat. How many total carbs a day should I aim for? And I presume I can have a slice of bread once a week?

If the nurse's chart was the NHS Eatwell Plate, you can throw it away!

As said, you decide a total carb amount and using a meter will soon show you whether you are exceeding your personal limit because testing before a meal and 2 hours after starting a meal will show you at a glance what that meal has done to your levels. You soon see patterns emerging, which enables you to cut out or cut down on certain foods. A meter is an essential tool, as is a food diary (a notebook will do)

Personally, I think it is best to start at around 100g a day and if necessary gradually reduce your carbs over time until you are satisfied by the results. Some people go cold turkey and reduce down to 20 or 30g a day straight away and plan to increase gradually, but that can give you some side effects that feel a bit like flu for a few days. (Not everyone gets this, and it does disappear when your body has got used to less carbs)

It is necessary to learn how many carbs there are in foods. The nutrition labels on the packaging is the place to start, but when there is no packaging, such as fresh foods, a book or app is useful. I have Carbs & Cals available from Amazon. Supermarket websites are also useful. If you use Google to type in " Tesco tomato soup" for example, it will list all their tomato soups and give the full nutrition details.
 

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One thing to be aware of is that in the US the carbs quoted includes the fibre, which is not digested, so should be deducted, but in the UK the fibre is not included, so no need for any sums.
When looking up carb counts on the internet you need to know the source, so you can tell if you are being told the net carbs or not.
Personally I only eat the Lidl protein rolls, as other breads are so high in carbs - it seems a bit of a waste to eat a slice of something equal to almost two meals worth of carbs.
 

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welcome to the forum !! :)

a blood glucose meter will tell you what carbs and how much of them you can tolerate.
this process can take a while to get sorted , as you can only test foods at each meal ( so plan on a few weeks of testing)

@ColinNorthants -- an often used expression here on the forum is eat to your meter !! :)
 
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Hello Colin and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope it will be useful to you. Ask questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

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Hi @ColinNorthants, welcome to the forum. I was told my results were borderline 6 years ago. Not out of the woods yet but the help and advice from this forum has been brilliant.
 

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Ok Thanks, I did see the diabetic nurse, but she just showed me some charts with foods not to eat. How many total carbs a day should I aim for? And I presume I can have a slice of bread once a week?
I try to have a total of 50 carbs per day, my blood stays level with that.
 

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I have recently been told I am border line diabetic, and need to follow a low carb diet. I have been reading articles until I'm blue in the face! Information on the rear of foods shows Total Carbs, Carbs from Fibre and Sugars from Carbs. Sugars from Carbs I understand are the ones I need to watch. BUT if you add these up they do not total the 'Total Carbs.

I have tried adding the protein, fat and salt to sugars and Fibre but this still does not add up.

I just feel I need to grasp the whole picture. If anyone can help I would appreciate it. Thanks

I'm really interested in who told you to follow a low carb diet. They were absolutely right, but was it a doc, a nurse, someone else in the practice who was clue'd up? Excellent advice.

Best thing is to read the nutrition info on the back of the pack and keep the carb count to under 5g per 100g. I was borderline, completely changed my way of eating to leave out suger and starch. It worked. I'm now out of the danger zone, overweight but not obese and feel considerably better.

The whole picture is very difficult to grasp but look at it this way - We need energy to survive but it can come from different sources. Carbs are the first and favourite but cutting them out forces the body to use the fat stores. Honestly, it does work.
 
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Ok Thanks, I did see the diabetic nurse, but she just showed me some charts with foods not to eat. How many total carbs a day should I aim for? And I presume I can have a slice of bread once a week?
I am under 40 grams carbs/ day, & I am a pre-D. I don't count carbs now, as I used to 3 years ago--so it may be 25 or 50 (but certainly not over 50). I don't eat any grain. I find that bread is just a "splurge" that is just not worth it to me, unless I make my own flatbread (2 grams/slice).
 
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I am under 40 grams carbs/ day, & I am a pre-D. I don't count carbs now, as I used to 3 years ago--so it may be 25 or 50 (but certainly not over 50). I don't eat any grain. I find that bread is just a "splurge" that is just not worth it to me, unless I make my own flatbread (2 grams/slice).
Oooooh @Mokkijo - care to share the recipe? Although I'm grain-free I'm looking for a yummy low carb flatbread for a family member. Thanks!
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Oooooh @Mokkijo - care to share the recipe? Although I'm grain-free I'm looking for a yummy low carb flatbread for a family member. Thanks!
:)

http://www.lowcarbsosimple.com/flatbread/ This is the best all purpose "5 ingredient" bread I have found ANYWHERE. I use 1 cup "fine ground" almond flour, (not the meal), & add 1/2 cup ground flax seeds (or hemp hearts) to change the batter a bit. I use a silicone baking mat & "spread" the batter, so you can make it as thin (I like it this way) or thicker if you want. I also sub the "liquid" for full fat Greek yogurt, buttermilk, or heavy cream--depends on what I have on hand. It ALWAYS comes out great. Sprinkle some caraway/sesame/sunflower seeds on top before baking & voila--you got an easy & delicious bread that travels well. Also if you are vegan you can get "egg substitute" & I bet it would come out just as good. Join "Stay Strong" --- our Facebook group---loads of great recipes & loads of support for pre-D's T1 &2 D's.
 

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http://www.lowcarbsosimple.com/flatbread/ This is the best all purpose "5 ingredient" bread I have found ANYWHERE. I use 1 cup "fine ground" almond flour, (not the meal), & add 1/2 cup ground flax seeds (or hemp hearts) to change the batter a bit. I use a silicone baking mat & "spread" the batter, so you can make it as thin (I like it this way) or thicker if you want. I also sub the "liquid" for full fat Greek yogurt, buttermilk, or heavy cream--depends on what I have on hand. It ALWAYS comes out great. Sprinkle some caraway/sesame/sunflower seeds on top before baking & voila--you got an easy & delicious bread that travels well. Also if you are vegan you can get "egg substitute" & I bet it would come out just as good. Join "Stay Strong" --- our Facebook group---loads of great recipes & loads of support for pre-D's T1 &2 D's.
That looks really good - must give it a try. Many thanks for posting :)
 
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I have recently been told I am border line diabetic, and need to follow a low carb diet. I have been reading articles until I'm blue in the face! Information on the rear of foods shows Total Carbs, Carbs from Fibre and Sugars from Carbs. Sugars from Carbs I understand are the ones I need to watch. BUT if you add these up they do not total the 'Total Carbs.

I have tried adding the protein, fat and salt to sugars and Fibre but this still does not add up.

I just feel I need to grasp the whole picture. If anyone can help I would appreciate it. Thanks

Hello, I know its been 16 weeks since you posted your question. However I have been doing research on the whole carbs question and at the end of a year of research i have concluded that if you avoid anything with sugar or processed foods youre 90% there. The energy drinks, cans of coke, orange etc are full of it so dont consume anything that has any form of sugar for which there are 60 hidden names. Keep an eye on the carb content and stay between 20 and 40G of carbs a day... Theres good reading on the whole card issue in https://realmealrevolution.com whisc is mainly geared for people who want to use weight through low carb diet. Good luck....

Edited my Mod to remove double quote.
 
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