Mostly genes.... and being jammy beggars.A really interesting thread. What confuses me most is logically more carbs = weight gain and I personally have to eat well and work out to not be overweight. Why is it some people can eat nothing but carbs (and the bad ones!), never exercise and not gain weight?!
Mostly genes.... and being jammy beggars.
Totally agree.
plus hormones
insulin is a major player in weight gain, but there are others that contribute - those of us with other hormone dysregularities (cushings, polycystic ovary syndrome, peri-menopause, and many others) experience this first hand.
If you have a spare couple of days.. there are quite a few more...Nice presentation, Thanks BB, learned several new concepts - energy wasting and mitochondria UCP1 changing to burning glucose and conversion of WAT to BAT due to ketones and back again with insulin. Amazing stuff.
Feel free to send more my way
That's probably because their insulin mechanism works fine.. in your case you don't produce any so have to regulate yourself possibly not as efficiently as your body would if it could. In my case as a reformed Type 2 my metabolism got deranged so didn't work as it should (probably due to excessive carb overconsumption) so made me fat and gave me Type 2 as an extra gift.A really interesting thread. What confuses me most is logically more carbs = weight gain and I personally have to eat well and work out to not be overweight. Why is it some people can eat nothing but carbs (and the bad ones!), never exercise and not gain weight?!
Hi @Guzzler,I am not wholly convinced about the 'calories in calories out' mantra....
Hi @Guzzler,
Countless controlled studies have been conducted on this subject and they come out with same conclusion:
Aka, if your body burns 1000 calories per day, then if you eat 1000 calories per day, you will not gain weight. And it doesn't matter if those 1000 calories are composed of high fat, low fat, high carb or low carb kind of diet. The interesting part is that in same body situation, if you then start to eat e.g. 1500 calories per day, you will gain exactly the same weight over the same period of time. Again no matter how those 1500 calories are composed. No matter if it is a high fat, low fat, high carb or low carb kind of diet.
If you are into the scientific and fact based details then suggest you read some of the controlled studies around what happens when you switch to a low carb diet, as it always causes an initial (relatively) sharp decrease in total weight due to the drop in water weight that accompanies carb restriction. That is because the glycogen stored in our liver, muscles, and fat cells are stored in a hydrated form, with three to four parts water. Example of such study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1615908
Thank you for the links. I am wading through the available info on IR atm and to be honest, I am still at the stage whereby I am trying to understand what is going on in my own situation and as I do not and never have had a problem with weight the weight /gain and retention is not yet a specific area of interest to me. To be honest, the PFT is much more significant an area at this time. What I get so far about the C in and C out is the idea that all obese people need to do is to eat less and move more which we know does not always work for those with T2. Thanks again.Hi @Guzzler,
Countless controlled studies have been conducted on this subject and they come out with same conclusion:
Aka, if your body burns 1000 calories per day, then if you eat 1000 calories per day, you will not gain weight. And it doesn't matter if those 1000 calories are composed of high fat, low fat, high carb or low carb kind of diet. The interesting part is that in same body situation, if you then start to eat e.g. 1500 calories per day, you will gain exactly the same weight over the same period of time. Again no matter how those 1500 calories are composed. No matter if it is a high fat, low fat, high carb or low carb kind of diet.
If you are into the scientific and fact based details then suggest you read some of the controlled studies around what happens when you switch to a low carb diet, as it always causes an initial (relatively) sharp decrease in total weight due to the drop in water weight that accompanies carb restriction. That is because the glycogen stored in our liver, muscles, and fat cells are stored in a hydrated form, with three to four parts water. Example of such study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1615908
However, there are a fair few of us on here, including me, who are the exception to that idea and the composition of our calories matters in regard to weight loss, gain or maintenance. As ever, one size does not fit all.Hi @Guzzler,
Countless controlled studies have been conducted on this subject and they come out with same conclusion:
Aka, if your body burns 1000 calories per day, then if you eat 1000 calories per day, you will not gain weight. And it doesn't matter if those 1000 calories are composed of high fat, low fat, high carb or low carb kind of diet. The interesting part is that in same body situation, if you then start to eat e.g. 1500 calories per day, you will gain exactly the same weight over the same period of time. Again no matter how those 1500 calories are composed. No matter if it is a high fat, low fat, high carb or low carb kind of diet.
If you are into the scientific and fact based details then suggest you read some of the controlled studies around what happens when you switch to a low carb diet, as it always causes an initial (relatively) sharp decrease in total weight due to the drop in water weight that accompanies carb restriction. That is because the glycogen stored in our liver, muscles, and fat cells are stored in a hydrated form, with three to four parts water. Example of such study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1615908
Hi @bulkbiker, are you questioning the claim that the initial rapid weight loss is due to the water shed when getting rid of the hydrated glycogen stored in our liver, muscles, and fat cells? Or what was your point here? The stored glycogen is always in hydrated form, no matter if you are on a low calorie diet or not.The study you reference refers to a Very Low Calorie Diet...at least that is what the abstract says..
"Total body potassium (TBK) changes early in very-low-calorie diets (VLCDs) primarily reflect glycogen storage."
Is it worthwhile to post scientific and repeatedly proven facts on this forum if it goes against some with personal convictions of never proven claims?However, there are a fair few of us on here, including me, who are the exception to that idea and the composition of our calories matters in regard to weight loss, gain or maintenance. As ever, one size does not fit all.
Is it worthwhile to post scientific and repeatedly proven facts on this forum if it goes against some with personal convictions of never proven claims?
Is it worthwhile to post scientific and repeatedly proven facts on this forum if it goes against some with personal convictions of never proven claims?
Of course.
So long as the person posting those scientific 'proven' 'facts' doesn't get defensive when there are numerous people whose experiences contradict them.
Most of these 'scientific and repeatedly proven facts' are quoted from studies which have rigorous selection processes and reject the large number of people who don't fit their test criteria - the people with multiple health issues, or who depend on medication which may affect the results. There are usually age, weight, and other restrictions to the selection process too.
Consequently, such 'facts' may be applicable to those individuals selected for the study, but because large numbers of people are automatically excluded from the study means that the 'facts' are not proven to apply across the board.
my experience is proof of what does and doesnt work for me. The threads containing posts from others about similar experiences is also proof that CICO scientific facts are not facts for all.Is it worthwhile to post scientific and repeatedly proven facts on this forum if it goes against some with personal convictions of never proven claims?
Hi @bulkbiker, are you questioning the claim that the initial rapid weight loss is due to the water shed when getting rid of the hydrated glycogen stored in our liver, muscles, and fat cells? Or what was your point here? The stored glycogen is always in hydrated form, no matter if you are on a low calorie diet or not.
suggest you read some of the controlled studies around what happens when you switch to a low carb diet
Hi @Brunneria, the fun thing here is I don't see the personal experiences contradict what I try to share with the open forum here.So long as the person posting those scientific 'proven' 'facts' doesn't get defensive when there are numerous people whose experiences contradict them.
Many trials have a very narrow scope for good reasons. But please Brunneria, co-morbidities should not refrain us from becoming wiser by conducting studies. So please lets not let that cloud the issue. Reason why I also referred at several occasions to the more broad trials that have shown same results exactly also when including a large variation of study population. Across age spans, across BMI index so both reviewing normal weights, overweights and obese. And in some cases various morbidities..
Most of these 'scientific and repeatedly proven facts' are quoted from studies which have rigorous selection processes and reject the large number of people who don't fit their test criteria - the people with multiple health issues, or who depend on medication which may affect the results. There are usually age, weight, and other restrictions to the selection process too.
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