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Dr Neal Barnard 'Reverse Diabetes Diet'

Discussion in 'Ask A Question' started by Anonymous, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. seadragon

    seadragon Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    The vegan diets are first and foremost about animal welfare rather than human health so you do need to factor that into any info on diet from vegan sources. Chicken is an animal, Barnard is a vegan - hence read into that what you will. Personally I find the low carb/healthy fats diet to be very effective in controlling diabetes but apparently some people have success with high carb low fat but I know I could not bear to eat what they do - fats and oils are why gives food it's taste. This fact is why the many 'low fat' processed foods are full of sugar because taking out the fats takes out the taste and they have to make it palatable somehow. Also for me any carbs skyrocket my blood sugar and I'd rather avoid the hefty peaks and troughs. But if you like the idea of low fat then give it a try. Either diet is better than the Eatwell plate or Standard American diet.
     
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  2. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    700 calories of what though?
    Why are you afraid of fat?
     
  3. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Other · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for this information. I have found the following study report on the diet.

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dmrr.2519/pdf

    The study is only short term (21 days only) with small group sizes (between 16 and 61, [124 subjects in total]) who were given the same macrobiotic diets, but with local variations allowed for the vegetable choices.


    Now the preamble in the report that justifies the reasons why the diet works is that whole grains slow down stomach emptying, and slow down the insulin response. In other words it is being presented as a low GI diet, So I am not surprised that the test method comprises of single glycemic measurements at 2 hr PP time only. So IMHO this will be missing any glucose spike registering if it is delayed. There is no attempt to measure HbA1c or other long term i,e, fbgl measurements to confirm an overall effect over the 21 days. So this is a bad test technique, and does not in my opinion confirm the claims for this diet,


    There are other studies that do confirm that a low GI diet may be suitable for controlling diabetes (most notably the Mediterranean Diet and South Beach diet) and neither is based on Whole Grains. The important thing in most of these diets is to remove high GI carbs and processed foods, and the Ma Pi diet is not providing any extra special tweak that other diets would not achieve, I believe most of the diets we use here can be adapted for vegans quite successfully, and animal products are only necessary to supply fat soluble micronutrients such as B6 and B12 which can be supplemented outside of the diet.


    Recent scientific meta studies have established a link between low fat or ultra low fat intake diets with an increased risk of early mortality, so I would myself be wary of attempting a low fat diet now.
     
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  5. LittleGreyCat

    LittleGreyCat Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Avocado is allegedly 15% fat and 2% carbohydrate, so is a staple of a high fat diet.

    Your approach seems at odds with many on this forum, as we tend to see the most success on low carbohydrate diets. This does not seem unreasonable because carbohydrates turn to sugar and we diabetics have a major problem processing all sugars.

    Either way I wouldn't worry about the fat content of chicken breast. The figures for "skin off" are around 2.2 grams per 100 grams cooked.

    I would respectfully suggest that you might increase the fat content in your food and drop any remaining carbohydrates.

    You are doing really well with your weight loss and your BG improvement.

    Be aware that it will take a while for your fasting BG to settle down as your body adjusts, and your true readings will be after you have settled on your long term eating plan.

    If you are eating mainly carbohydrates you may still be maintaining a glycogen store in your liver and other tissues which is being dumped over night as your BG dips. So called Dawn Phenomenon.
     
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